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scores to make it into USAMU

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 8:30 pm
by gitkrunk
I tried emailed some of the coaches and haven't received any responses.

Was wondering what it takes to make it onto the team starting as a civilian.

Looking for a end goal for myself.

Either free, rapid or bullseye.


Thanks
Chris

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:38 pm
by Cousin Jack
I was never part of that unit, but I did shoot on a National Guard Highpower team and rubbed shoulder with a couple of members of it.... I'm not completely sure, but I think you must first be a member of the Army with a combat or weapons oriented MOS (military occupational specialty). Most of the USAMU members I knew or read about were infantry soldiers. Any Army recruiter should be able to give you more concrete information, but, then...take everything a recruiter tells you with more than a grain of salt! Perhaps the safest option is to talk to a member of the USAMU directly at a match.... and ask them how they got on. The National Matches at Camp Perry would be fertile ground for that, I imagine.....

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 10:17 pm
by Cousin Jack
Here ya go.......

http://www.usaac.army.mil/amu/unit/join.asp

As for the level of scores they're looking for, I have no idea....again, try and talk to a serving member of the team you're interested in.

USAMTU

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 10:20 pm
by Sharpsman

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 10:48 pm
by john bickar
Disclaimer: I have no association with the USAMU, so what I have to say is only an outsider's perspective.

However, I was recruited by the AMU (hard) when I was younger, and I've known many of the bullseye and international shooters and coaches over the past 20+ years.

First and foremost, they're looking for youngsters, so scores are relative to your age. If you're 16 years old, subtract 5-10 points from the scores listed below. If you're 35, add 5-10 points.

Bullseye
The most important thing for bullseye is that you haven't been "burned" at Camp Perry yet; that is, you've never fired in the NTT.

Scores: if you can shoot Master scores (2565+) and - more importantly - 270s in a leg match, you could probably get a look.

President's 100 is a plus, as is Distinguished Pistol. Learn to shoot that service pistol.

Free Pistol
540s - 550s should get you a look.

Rapid Fire
560s should get you a look.

Air Pistol
560s - 570s should get you a look.

For the international events, results at USASNC, Winter Airgun, or USAS selection matches are more meaningful than other matches. Nobody cares if you shot a 570 in a postal. Likewise, for bullseye, results at Camp Perry and larger regionals (e.g., Canton) are more meaningful.

On the plus side, high peaks are more noticeable than consistent mediocrity. A kid that shot a 514 and then a 540 (FP) over the two days at UASASNC would get a closer look than one that shot a pair of 525s.

HTH

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 11:19 pm
by Guest
john bickar wrote:Disclaimer: I have no association with the USAMU, so what I have to say is only an outsider's perspective.

However, I was recruited by the AMU (hard) when I was younger, and I've known many of the bullseye and international shooters and coaches over the past 20+ years.

First and foremost, they're looking for youngsters, so scores are relative to your age. If you're 16 years old, subtract 5-10 points from the scores listed below. If you're 35, add 5-10 points.

Bullseye
The most important thing for bullseye is that you haven't been "burned" at Camp Perry yet; that is, you've never fired in the NTT.

Scores: if you can shoot Master scores (2565+) and - more importantly - 270s in a leg match, you could probably get a look.

President's 100 is a plus, as is Distinguished Pistol. Learn to shoot that service pistol.

Free Pistol
540s - 550s should get you a look.

Rapid Fire
560s should get you a look.

Air Pistol
560s - 570s should get you a look.

For the international events, results at USASNC, Winter Airgun, or USAS selection matches are more meaningful than other matches. Nobody cares if you shot a 570 in a postal. Likewise, for bullseye, results at Camp Perry and larger regionals (e.g., Canton) are more meaningful.

On the plus side, high peaks are more noticeable than consistent mediocrity. A kid that shot a 514 and then a 540 (FP) over the two days at UASASNC would get a closer look than one that shot a pair of 525s.

HTH
Thanks John!
I guess i better start showing up to nationals and large events.

Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 5:24 am
by Isabel1130
As an addendum, one of the better ways into the AMU is through the Army reserves. Jim Henderson was active duty for a while, then on the national Reserve team, for a few years, then back on active duty after he had great success as an Army Reserve shooter.

I noticed that last year Nick Mowrer was shooting for the Army Reserve team, and I suspect he is following the same route.

Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:27 pm
by Guest
Do not talk to your Army recruiter first. You need a letter from the AMU command before you sign. This is from Staff Sargent Hank Gray. He stated this at class at Camp Perry.

Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 4:42 pm
by john bickar
Anonymous wrote:Do not talk to your Army recruiter first. You need a letter from the AMU command before you sign. This is from Staff Sargent Hank Gray. He stated this at class at Camp Perry.
Oh, excellent point!

Yes, I have heard this from multiple AMU shooters, and even coaches.

Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 4:46 pm
by bpscCheney
Talking to Sgt. Lorenzen, she said that personality was also a big deal.

Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 9:42 pm
by Isabel1130
bpscCheney wrote:Talking to Sgt. Lorenzen, she said that personality was also a big deal.

This is correct. The purpose of the AMU is not to win matches at Camp Perry, although they love to do that.

They are there to promote the sport, and encourage people to join the Army It is a P.R unit, so if you don't like people, and don't relate well to coaching and teaching, they are not likely to be interested in you.

Have you considered the Army Reserve?

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:30 am
by aafirearmstraining
Have you thought about the Army Reserve? We also have a Marksmanship team. If you could post National Match scores in the 260s you would probably be a candidate to be a New Shooter. We took 4th Place at the Interservice Pistol competition this year, right behind the AMU, the Marine Corps, and the All-Guard team. In 2010, we actually beat the AMU in two team matches. Let me know if you are interested or call a recruiter. (I am not a recruiter but I am on the USAR marksmanship team).

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:27 pm
by Muffo
Do you know if it is possible for people to be in 2 different sections of the USAMU