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My worst habit that I keep catching myself at...is after gently (perhaps too) squeezing the trigger till the shot breaks, instead of continuing to pull back until the trigger stops, I sometime stop applying pressure, or worse yet, release all pressure and let my index finger move forward. This last bit of course can cause significant muzzle flip as the pellet is still in the barrel. Is the fact that I physically can do this a sign that I'm working the trigger too softly/timidly?
I suspect will be suggested and probably rightfully so, but I have a IZH 46M and as has been discussed here before, when in dry fire mode -the difference in feel is hugely different than live fire. Dry fire just feels like a very, very light trigger, like a different gun altogether. I always wonder if it's worth "practicing" dry as it seems to have no correlation to the reality of releasing a pellet.
Thanks for any suggestions, todd.

Do you do much live trigger training ? Dry fire is great but it can lull you into a false sense of security because there's no consequence, i.e. no shot fired. Try doing drills where you focus on only a perfect trigger release. Shoot on the back of a card and a normal card and don't accept poor triggering.

Rob.

I presume you are shooting AP, I was taught to start squeezing the trigger when my front sight has started to point the target (at the top), and if done properly I will fire the pistol around the time I was around the sub 6 during fine precision stage. It works pretty good for me if I have the presence of mind to remember it.

As for FP, there is no one way of pulling the trigger. My FP is so light that I don't even pull, "touch" is the right word.

I would suggest that you adjust the trigger stop as close as you can to the release point.
That gives you a "wall" that stops the trigger movement after the shot releases, and it helps to keep pulling the trigger (applying force) without sudden movements.
I've set up my trigger so that once the shoot releases the trigger blade stops.
Now, when I shot, I know that there is no more movement after the release, and it helps me stabilize the gun and call the shoots afterwards.

Hope this helps

conradin wrote:I presume you are shooting AP, I was taught to start squeezing the trigger when my front sight has started to point the target (at the top), and if done probably I will fire the pistol around the time I was around the sub 6 during fine precision. It well pretty good for me.

As for FP, there is no one way of pulling the trigger.

My worst problem, rifle and pistol, is not staying focused on the front sight all the way to follow through. But for that, I'd likely be 10-12 points higher on 60.

rmca wrote:I would suggest that you adjust the trigger stop as close as you can to the release point.
That gives you a "wall" that stops the trigger movement after the shot releases, and it helps to keep pulling the trigger (applying force) without sudden movements.
I've set up my trigger so that once the shoot releases the trigger blade stops.
Now, when I shot, I know that there is no more movement after the release, and it helps me stabilize the gun and call the shoots afterwards.

Hope this helps

Whilst that's one option, I'd suggest the opposite. If you have the trigger stop well after the shot breaks, you just carry on the pull after the shot has gone. That way no solid stop and no change in resistance. Once the follow through has been followed, you can release the trigger and lower the gun.

It did also occur to me if the trigger weight distribution is compounding your problem. Some people have a very small differential between 1st and second stage which then means they can't really tell when the shot is going to break. I'm a fan of about 200g on the second stage.

Rob.

RobStubbs wrote: Whilst that's one option, I'd suggest the opposite. If you have the trigger stop well after the shot breaks, you just carry on the pull after the shot has gone. That way no solid stop and no change in resistance.

The OP is shooting an IZH46M. For that gun, and indeed most non-electronic trigger guns, there is definitely a significant change in resistance once the sear releases. This advice, IMHO, is likely to make the OP's problem worse rather than better.

FredB

FredB wrote:

RobStubbs wrote: Whilst that's one option, I'd suggest the opposite. If you have the trigger stop well after the shot breaks, you just carry on the pull after the shot has gone. That way no solid stop and no change in resistance.

The OP is shooting an IZH46M. For that gun, and indeed most non-electronic trigger guns, there is definitely a significant change in resistance once the sear releases. This advice, IMHO, is likely to make the OP's problem worse rather than better.

FredB

Exactly what I should have added to complete my post.

But I agree with RobStubbs on the distribution of weights between first and second stage, and I would suggest something like 100 to 150 grams on the second stage. Just enough weight so you can feel the "step" between stages all the time.

[quote="FredB]

The OP is shooting an IZH46M. For that gun, and indeed most non-electronic trigger guns, there is definitely a significant change in resistance once the sear releases. This advice, IMHO, is likely to make the OP's problem worse rather than better.

FredB[/quote]

And what exactly do you think happens when you hit the trigger stop ? Might I suggest it's an even greater difference than any change that happens when the sear disengages - which is far smaller.

Rob.

You said "no change in resistance"; that was incorrect. In contrast, I never said that a stop offered no change in resistance - of course it does.

The issue is really whether the resistance suddenly decreases or suddenly increases. IMHO it's easier to manage an increase in resistance than a sudden decrease, pretty much regardless of their comparative amounts. That's because your finger's force against the trigger is increasing as you release the shot. The OP found himself prematurely decreasing that force, which your suggestion would IMHO make worse.

We can differ over whether or not a stop is likely to help the OP, but you can't change the facts of what happens when a mechanical sear releases.

Fred,
We'll have to agree to disagree as it isn't helping answer the OP's question or solve the problem.

The answer though whatever you do, or don't do, with the trigger stop, is to train the correct behaviours. Dont shoot for score just train the pulling of the trigger. Give yourself a tick if you pull it smoothly until release, a cross if you stop applying pressure or release it. Also when you do the latter make yourself abort the shot. Do those in 10 shot drills and see how it goes.

Rob.