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MG2 help needed
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:43 am
by TB
My mg2 is 1½ years old, series 30xx. It has been working without any problems for 10.000+ shoots. Last week it suddenly started to give me trouble, the cartridge would end up in a vertical position in front of the chamber, bullet pointing up. I took it apart for a clean and inspection, nothing seems to be broken. Last night I took it to the range again and the trouble continued, but now the main problem was the hammer following the slide forward. This resulted in the problem described above, no bullet in the chamber or bullet in the chamber but the hammer being in forward position. I don't believe it is a trigger/sear engagement problem, since I adjusted the trigger to a rolling like trigger and when the hammer follows the slide forward, the trigger is set. So the slide has been far enough back to set the trigger, but the hammer still follows the slide forward.
I put in new recoil spring recently, but is has been working fine for a little while since i changed them until these problems, so I don't think this is the problem.
Any ideas anyone?
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:27 am
by Tycho
From my experience, that sounds like two different things. Remember that the hammer actually has two sears, one at the bottom which can be adjusted, and one at the top, which can't. Possibly the upper one has worn down, or the spring that should reset the upper sear is broken. The thing with the cartridge standing vertically inside the frame has been cured in my MG2E by changing the mag and the mag holder incl. its spring. Talk to Stefano at Matchguns, I'm sure he can tell you which series your pistol is and what is to be done.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:45 am
by TB
Thanks' for your input.
I don't think the upper sear is worn down since when it is actually there, you can't release it by pressing from the top. I was not aware there was a spring to reset the upper sear, I will check that.
Anyway, I have send an e-mail to MG so let's se what they say.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:59 am
by Tycho
Just remembered - another common cause for the hammer coming down is dirt between slide cover and frame, or loose screws - if the slide cover can move around, the hammer won't stay up for sure. But you probably checked that. Is the BIL intact?
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:59 am
by TB
The slice cover is not loose, that is for sure. If that was the case I don't think the trigger would be set either.
About the BIL, I have not checket it specifically, but it seemed to look fine when I cleaned it. I will take a closer look at it.
Re: MG2 help needed
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:22 am
by tth
TB wrote:My mg2 is 1½ years old, series 30xx. It has been working without any problems for 10.000+ shoots. Last week it suddenly started to give me trouble, the cartridge would end up in a vertical position in front of the chamber, bullet pointing up.
Mr. TB of Denmark: if memory serves me right, you have formerly repeatedly opposed forcefully reports of MG2 trouble form other owners of this gun?
I thik you had better keep a more modest attitude to reports of trouble from users of a given gun, even if your specific spesimen of same model is (still) ok.
Hammerfall may be caused by insufficient sear engagement. This is easily adjustable. Just refer to the manual.
Has the magazine spring taken a set? If so, replace it. The cartridges has to be pushed by strong spring tension into the 'cradle'. If the cartridge is not pushet by the spring fully to the rear of the 'cradle' chamber-feeding malfunctions may accur.
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:15 am
by Tycho
Behave yourself. He has already stated that in his opinion, sear engagement could not be the source of the hammer problem.
Re: MG2 help needed
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:20 am
by Explorer
TB wrote:My mg2 is 1½ years old, series 30xx. Last week it suddenly started to give me trouble, the cartridge would end up in a vertical position in front of the chamber, bullet pointing up.
Any ideas anyone?
Why are you posting negative PR against the MG company TB? I'm not convinced that you own any MG2 at all.
Have you ver fired a MG2?
What is your agenda is this matter? Are you lobbying for some other big manufacturer?
My MG2, and all other MG2s I know of are working perfectly. The MG2 is the most perfect .22 auto available. Period.
The MG2 is as flawless as the HAL 9000 was (supposed to be).
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:09 pm
by ghostrip
no pistol is flawless. my club gsp were having difficulties at the latest match, i have seen an ssp failing, a cm-22 very selective of ammo. even pardini had a jam at a rapid fire final at a recent wc. more important is customer support from the factory
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:11 pm
by TB
All you people speculating about my purpose of this thread, shut up if you don't have anything constructive to say! If you have read any of my previous posts, you would know that it is my own pistol and that I have only positive things to say about MG. I have just faced some trouble that I need help to solve, like owners of all other pistol munufactures have encountered. Calm down and look at it as with threads about problems with pardini, walther, morini trouble etc. No more, no less!
Re: MG2 help needed
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:34 am
by Peter Skov
Explorer wrote:TB wrote:My mg2 is 1½ years old, series 30xx. Last week it suddenly started to give me trouble, the cartridge would end up in a vertical position in front of the chamber, bullet pointing up.
Any ideas anyone?
Why are you posting negative PR against the MG company TB? I'm not convinced that you own any MG2 at all.
Have you ver fired a MG2?
What is your agenda is this matter? Are you lobbying for some other big manufacturer?
My MG2, and all other MG2s I know of are working perfectly. The MG2 is the most perfect .22 auto available. Period.
The MG2 is as flawless as the HAL 9000 was (supposed to be).
What a piece of cr..!
He has been one of the most positive users of MG products, both in here and IRL, and we all hear about this in Denmark, every time we meet at contests.
But a coward that don't even want to log in to accuse others of foul play, should be ashamed
MG2 in Oz
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:26 am
by Guest
Check the bullet positioning lever for cracks between the holes. This is an old problem but it caused that situation in my 12XX series pistol
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:44 am
by gunnery
The hammer spring of my Mg2 was broken.
A e-mail at matchguns and i got one
within 10 day's .....
Matchguns: do you have a pistol with a problem?
They will help you: exelent sevice
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:18 am
by TB
gunnery wrote:The hammer spring of my Mg2 was broken.
A e-mail at matchguns and i got one
within 10 day's .....
Matchguns: do you have a pistol with a problem?
They will help you: exelent sevice
I believe MG has a good customer service, but they have not replyed to me yet, busy I am sure. I will go to the range tonight and try one last time to figure out what is wrong, based on the feedback I got in here.
Well?
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:06 pm
by Peter B.
TB wrote:
I believe MG has a good customer service, but they have not replyed to me yet,
Well, opinions are diverging at that point.
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:25 am
by TB
TB wrote:I will go to the range tonight and try one last time to figure out what is wrong, based on the feedback I got in here.
Still no luck, I can't for the life of it see what is wrong, the hammer often follows the slide forward and
always after the last round in the magasine. It has been send back to the dealer, hopefully he is more clever than me:-)
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:52 pm
by R.M.
I started getting that with mine. What I found was I wasn't oiling the pivot pin that the secondary sear (long arm) runs on. It was getting to be ever so slightly sticky and the spring being so light didn't have enough strength to overcome it. These guns are like a formula race car. Every little thing will affect it's performance. Once I made a point of adding a drop of oil on the pin, it's been flawless.
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:52 am
by Mark Briggs
Like R.M., I've found that keeping the pistol oiled is key to reliable operation. There is a lot of dirt that accumulates in blowback-action semi-auto pistols. Most of that dirt ends up in places we don't want it, and in the case of the MG-2 a few minutes with a dentists pick will allow us to clean most of the nasty stuff out of the pistol.
BUT my experience has been that oiling the pistol is more important than cleaning it. Don't even ask me when I last cleaned my MG-2's - it's been so long that I don't even remember when I last cleaned them.
I oil them perhaps once every 500-1000 rounds. Oil is placed on the sides of the cartridge carrier (the part that brings the new cartridge up from below), the bullet insert lever, the sides of the trigger disconnector (that little lever that rides just above the frame on the right hand side, which is pushed downward as the slide travels to the rear), and of course on the slide and frame where the slide makes contact. I also put a little oil on the two guide rods upon which the recoil springs are mounted, and just a small drop on the pivot point of the secondary sear lever, and a similar small drop in the hole above the live fire / dryfire selector.
This whole process takes perhaps 30 seconds to accomplish and keeps the pistol running in top form. I've been very fortunate with my two MG-2's - they function flawlessly and they do not care one little bit about what ammo is put through them. I've had just about all the other modern semi-auto pistols except the SSP and find the MG-2 to function at least as reliably as the others, and certainly more reliably than some others. A few minutes of your time is a very small investment to make to keep them running well.
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:00 pm
by deadeyedick
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Like R.M., I've found that keeping the pistol oiled is key to reliable operation. There is a lot of dirt that accumulates in blowback-action semi-auto pistols. Most of that dirt ends up in places we don't want it, and in the case of the MG-2 a few minutes with a dentists pick will allow us to clean most of the nasty stuff out of the pistol.
BUT my experience has been that oiling the pistol is more important than cleaning it. Don't even ask me when I last cleaned my MG-2's - it's been so long that I don't even remember when I last cleaned them.
I oil them perhaps once every 500-1000 rounds. Oil is placed on the sides of the cartridge carrier (the part that brings the new cartridge up from below), the bullet insert lever, the sides of the trigger disconnector (that little lever that rides just above the frame on the right hand side, which is pushed downward as the slide travels to the rear), and of course on the slide and frame where the slide makes contact. I also put a little oil on the two guide rods upon which the recoil springs are mounted, and just a small drop on the pivot point of the secondary sear lever, and a similar small drop in the hole above the live fire / dryfire selector.
This whole process takes perhaps 30 seconds to accomplish and keeps the pistol running in top form. I've been very fortunate with my two MG-2's - they function flawlessly and they do not care one little bit about what ammo is put through them. I've had just about all the other modern semi-auto pistols except the SSP and find the MG-2 to function at least as reliably as the others, and certainly more reliably than some others. A few minutes of your time is a very small investment to make to keep them running well.
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:54 am
by TB
A little update
The dealer coulden't fix it either, so it will send back to MG for a fix and upgrade to newest specifications. Great service!