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All,

A discussion on another board has me seeing information on a rather unique Soviet designed rapid fire pistol. This firearm was one of the reasons the "box test" was instituted, as its layout was highly unconventional (see below). Because of the layout used, any pistol constructed along similar lines today would fail a box test.

The barrel of the firearm was located approximately mid-grip. Sights were placed on an elevated rail, which was attached to the top of the grip and the barrel.

I'm curious as to the firearm's name, caliber, and if any other information on this handgun is available, especially online.

My thanks in advance for any and all assistance on this topic.

Sincerely,
Asa Yam

http://www.arms-museum.tula.ru/images/p ... _small.jpg[/img]

Semi-automatic pistol MC 3-1 "Record" 22LR

DDT,

Thank you for the prompt response! Most appreciated.

Anonymous wrote:Because of the layout used, any pistol constructed along similar lines today would fail a box test.

Not necessarily the box test but it would certainly fall foul of rule 8.4.4.1:-

"The center line of the bore must pass above the web (between thumb and forefinger) of the hand holding the pistol in the normal firing position."

This rule is only for 25m pistols. Air and Free pistols do not have this restriction.

Thanks very much for the link, ive been looking for a place to study russian guns, to bad its in russian! (maybe i can get translations) Here a bigger view of the pic:

Some more stuff at http://www.geocities.com/pistoleer2001/Evolution2.html


JY

In a previous incarnation - 50 years ago - I was employed as a gun designer. The Mangolin pistol was, and is, in my view, the only real improvement made to the ergonomics of pistols in 500 years. 50 years ago, assault rifles were being introduced to the armies of the world. The improvement in automatic fire control with the bore centre line passing through the centre of resistance of the shoulder, and also through the gun centre of gravity, was really startling to experience. I recall that the controversy over the Russian use of the pistol was really spiteful. I cannot now find details, but it was said that the design enabled a substantial improvement in scores. So it was banned.

Much later, someone prototyped a centre fire revolver with the mechanism similarly inverted and the bore lined up with the centre line of the wrist. There are significant problems in designing a compact mechanism so placed, but not insuperable. The Mangolin, in that sense, was a crude prototype.

All this would be highly relevant to a .22 rapid fire pistol under the new ammunition rules . . .

Ben

All this would be highly relevant to a .22 rapid fire pistol under the new ammunition rules . . .

You need to have a look at the Izh35, the barrel is as low as it can be.

ben wrote:All this would be highly relevant to a .22 rapid fire pistol under the new ammunition rules . . .

......but totally irrelevant under the pistol specification rules 8.17.0

It's not allowed.

surprise!!!! it's margolin, but placed into special frame. Look in two pictures... i give you some tipps...

ruig wrote:surprise!!!! it's margolin, but placed into special frame. Look in two pictures... i give you some tipps...

Hey, That is cool! Those Russians are a clever bunch.