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rifle vise for ammo testing
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:08 pm
by coolcruiser
In "Ways of the Rifle" page 189, a test rig that has some movement is mentioned for holding the rifle while testing ammo. It is said to be available through Alexander Kutelin. A search on the web produced no meaningful results. Is anyone aware of this test rig and where one could be purchased? Perhaps there are other rigs availble to recommend...it is particularly desireable the rig have some movement to imitate recoil, rather than simply clamp the action in a vise. I was thinking of building something like this that would clamp to a free rifle's rail and allow movement through a base that was mounted on some linear slide bearings but I don't want to reinvent the wheel. Anyway, it would be a great device for our smallbore club members to test ammo and get meaningful results. Anybody have any info? TIA CC
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:34 pm
by Paul
I've been using the ESP machine rest for some times now and I'm extremely satisfied with it: simple design and reasonnable cost. It works much better than the Thune I tried in the past. Hope it helps,
Paul
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:18 pm
by TWP
No pictures available,
But I use an Angie Rest from Newt Engle.
Works great as well.
One of our other coaches just ordered the new version of Bill Earnests rest, it allows you to changes windage with the rest so you don't have to un-clamp the rest or go down range to change targets all the time.
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:09 am
by Sven
Where can I buy a ESP testing rig?
could not find them in google.....
Sven
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:27 am
by Paul
Earnest Shooting Products
Trevorton, PA
(570) 797-4872
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:44 am
by Sven
Found the russian style testing rig at a german website:
http://www.stopper.de/product_info.php/ ... esm-2.html
But the ESP rig looks easier to operate and a better construction.
Sven.
price?
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:29 am
by coolcruiser
many thanks to all for responding. What is the cost of some of these rests?...particularly the ESP.
TIA
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:05 am
by Paul
I paid $175US 2 years ago for mine.
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:12 pm
by TWP
Angie rest is $189 available from M.A. Engle 330.477.4309
I've seen, but not used the Earnest rest and I've used the Angie rest quite a bit.
The Angie Rest looks a bit more industrial, but it is very well made and sturdy. The ESP machine rest is more refined looking with better machining, but it also looks like you could screw it up if you weren't careful. (My Angie rest is in a cardboard box in the back of my jeep. I don't worry about it, I wouldn't transport an ESP rest that way.)
At 328 euro that Russian rest is about 3 times the cost either the Angie or ESP rests.
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:19 pm
by mjguzy
Just got a catalog from ESP for 2007. The old style rest is $175, with adapters for tapered stocks $50/$75 (you'll have to ask Bill what the differences are in price), and the new rest with lateral adjustments is $225. If you have anything different you need, I'll bet Bill can take care of you since he makes the stuff himself. Great guy to deal with!
Cheers,
mjguzy
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:47 pm
by Paul
mjguzy,
Do you know if the old style rest can be upgraded like the new one with lateral adjustments ?
Paul
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:39 am
by mjguzy
Sorry, I can't tell from the catalog. There is only one picture, and I'm not sure which is pictured, so I can't even make any guesses. Best bet would be to call Bill and talk to him.
mjguzy
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:44 am
by TWP
Paul wrote:mjguzy,
Do you know if the old style rest can be upgraded like the new one with lateral adjustments ?
Paul
Paul,
Bill had some of the rests at Palmyra. I looked at them and I don't think it would be easy to upgrade, but the way Bill runs a milling machine anything is possible.
One of our other coaches ordered the new rest with the lateral adjustment, but I don't think it has shown up yet.