TargetTalk

RobStubbs wrote:There are 10M versions available - they are fairly common in the UK. There is a custom made version from a guy in Wales plus Haring make a commercial one.

Rob.

JulianY wrote:
Rob

Who's making the welsh ones?

maybe Scott should import if the is real interest.

Julian

Bill A wrote:If you google "target timers," you can find the website of a fellow in Canada who makes five-bay AP turning target systems.

tleddy wrote:Hmmm...

The 2005 Rules discuss both the light system and turnng targets. My best guess is that at the local and state (maybe) level the Red/Green lights may well be used, since many ranges lack the turning equipment for RF. Most have adequate turners for Duel (is it still called that???).

Once to Regionals and Qualifying tournaments, it is my bet that turning targets will be used, especially at the International level. Reason being, it is more photogenic and exciting (probably easier to score "sliders")

I am sure that there must be some means to objectively note a foul such as early move from the 45 degree ready or a late shot---if any have experience with the set-up, let us know.

I speak out of ignorance, so any that have factual experience, please let us know as well.

6.3.17 Standards for 25 m Turning Target Installations

When Electronic Scoring Targets are not used, ranges for 25 m events must be equipped with a target rotating or turning mechanism...

6.3.17.15 Standards for 25 m Electronic Scoring Target Systems
6.3.17.15.1 When electronic scoring targets are used the timing equipment will
be set to give the nominal exposure times (see 6.3.17.14) plus 0.1
seconds (which is half the tolerance given in 6.3.17.7.2).
6.3.17.15.2 An "after-time" (the period which is to ensure that shots which would
have been valid "skid-shots" on conventional targets, are also scored
on the electronic targets) will be added at + 0.2 seconds. (Total = 0.3
seconds).


Thank you Ed Hall for calling my attention to that rules section. Quoted above is the following 6.3.17.15 etc. that describes how to determine a "skidder" under the electronic system.

I found out that under 7.4 that only some company in Zurich (SIUS AG) is authorized to provide electronic systems for the finals in various disciplines at the international level. Makes for interesting reading.

I think that, all said and done, one must practice with both turning targets and Red/Green lights to assure success.

Ed, have you seen any studies published on the scores achieved under each system and is there a difference between the turners and the electronic?

Tillman

Ed Hall wrote:Hi Tillman,
Back to the reason I brought up the ISSF rule. If you don't have electronic scoring when using lights, there are pitfalls. I've witnessed some matches where a late shot happened on the second string. But since no one knew which of the two hits was the late one, the officials decided the "fair" way was to discount the lower value hit. This may be fair to the shooter, but what about his opponents? You need to know which hit is which.

Take Care,
Ed Hall
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http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/

Ed Hall wrote:Hi Tillman,



Unfortunately, I never did add anything to my shock sensor description for the unit, to catch a late hit, but I can discuss the concept further if someone is interested. BTW, when time permits, I will probably be updating the circuit I provided for a much smaller do-it-yourself unit that will do more, but will require access to a PIC microcontroller programmer.

http://www.airforceshooting.org/
http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/

RobStubbs wrote:It's normal practice to eliminate the highest scoring shot under such circumstances, not the lowest. I think ISSF rules actually state that but I haven't got them too hand here at work.

RobStubbs wrote:With lights, a shot fired fired out of time would be scored as zero, and if the shot cannot be individually identified is it not the highest scoring shot that is discounted ?

David Levene wrote: You were actually refering to Ed's post where he mentioned a late shot in the second series. That is not covered under the ISSF rules as you will only have one series to deal with.

RobStubbs wrote:You still never mentioned what shot would be typically annulled though. I appreciate it's not a scenario you'd come across in proper ISSF events but could arise in other types of events (like for example the NSRA when they ran out of turners one year).