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One of my shooters has bought a secondhand Walther UIT Standard .22LR. The system is mounted in the stock by 3 screws.
I contacted the Walther factory about the neccesary (factorysetting) torque and fabrication date of the rifle, but the answer was very unsatisfactory and gave no setting or advice.

Has anyone information or experience with the torque for this rifle?

Thanks,
Albert
(The Netherlands)

Hoi Albert
Leuk te zien dat er nog meer NL op dit forum zijn!(nice to see there are more dutch lads on this forum!).
Allthough Walther might be able to provide you with the correct torque adjustments, best might still be to experiment yrself. It's done by many Anschutz benchresters; not all Anschutz rifles shoot most accurate with the prescribed torque!
For more rimfire info, I'd strongly suggest you to visit www.rimfirecentral.com .There's a HUGE amount of info available there, maybe they can help to privide you a starting point to start testing with.
Which Walther do you have? KK100/200? I LOVE the kk100 looks!
(I have an Anschutz 1807 myself and hope to add a kk100 soon!)

Greetings Rijksgenoot,

I have contacted Walther and they replied:
"There is no special torque or order to fasten these screws. Just fasten them sturdy by hand without using too much force."

Not at all the answered (or service) I had hoped for.
I visit rimfire central frequently, and I will post the same question there.
I use the KK-Match (known in the USA as GX-1). After 26 years it is still capable of shooting 595+ with the right ammo.

Of what club/city are you a member? I shoot at SV De Vrijheid Haarlem (The Netherlands) and if you like, you can visit the site www.schutterssupport.nl The site is hosted by a shooting friend but the contence is my doing. Let me know what you think of it.

If you know Dutch trainers specialised in Junior-training, please let me know. I have been asked to setup and run the junior training at my club.

Doei,
Albert
(The Netherlands)

Thumbhole stock with wheel for cheekpiece adjustinmg?

What ammo does it like?

Any problem finding replacement firing pins and springs?

That indeed isn't a very satisfactory answer from Walther. Surprises me they don't have a torque setting like Anschutz does.
Good to hear our 'oldies' can still shoot with the best of them!:)
Yr site looks good, good to see some attention for KKG/LG, it almost died out in the Netherlands as you might well know..Gunshops have KKG up for grabs, they're HAPPY to get rid of them..:(
SV de Vrijheid, that's a large gunclub iirc! I'm a member of SV Brown-Bess (Rilland Bath/Reymerswaal) and SV Flakkee.
Sorry, don't know any junior trainers at all; our gunclubs don't have trainers. KKG is almost non-existent at our gunclubs..:(
You could try and ask the KNSA or ask on vuurwapens.net ,maybe they can help.
PS If you ask on the rimfire forum, also ask yr question in the Section 'Other rimfire brands'. For some reason there's more Waltherinfo on there than in the Walther section..

My Anschutz booklet suggests a setting of 5NM for the Anschutz standard rifle that I have. (I use an older Anschutz torque wrench)
That would probably be a good starting point for any wood-stocked standard rifle.
Anschutz doesn't offer that playing a bit with settings higher and lower may have different results, but it wouldn't hurt to try (within reason).

Regards,
SP

Southpaw, I use a Walther GX-1 (thumbhole stock). For this particualar rifle I use a torque of 4.75Nm with Lapua Pistol King. After a lot of testing my rifle likes ammo with a bit slower velocity, in the range of 315m/s.
I have set a lot of Acshutz rifles with wooden stocks at a torque of 5Nm and most of the time that turned out to be the best setting.

I have heard rumours that Anshutz is planning on going back to 2 screws in the action instead of the 4 they use now. Is there any truth in this rumour??

Guest from NL,
As a Basic-trainer of the KNSA and shooting matches at national level, I know that smallbore shooting is dying slowly. 25 years ago a District championship there would be 400 participants at a 60-shot kneeling match. These days we are lucky to have 20 to 40 participants!
I have read much of the same on this and other forums in the US and other countries.
My problem at the moment is that when you start training and couching others, there is no time left to train yourself and my scores have decresed by aprox. 10 points for prone and 20 points for kneeling and standing/3P.

Albert
(The Netherlands)

Albert,

I haven't taken the range time to check torque variations against ammo types/velocities, and since winter has set in, I won't have an opportunity until next spring.
Did you change the action bolts in your Walther from the slotted head type to hex-wrench type? I used to have a difficult time torqeing slot head bolts due to slippage of the wrench.
I have only heard anecdotal reports of the Anschutz 4 bolt action not living up to expectations. I'm sure that even those reports have hurts sales of that action. Since the accuracy results are not obviously superior, as reported by the users. one would wonder why Anschutz would continue with such an overbuilt, and probably expensive to manufacture action. Perhaps they will retire the experiment.
Here in central Canada, rimfire has never really been popular with adult shooters. It is sad that even this limited interest is dwindling. I live in a city of 700K and we are lucky to see 8 shooters at our monthly matches.
Airrifle however is more popular than ever, and continually growing. This is largely due to the ability to set up a temporary or permanent range with fewer regulations than a powder gun range. Air is definitly the future of competitive shooting in these parts.

Regards,
SP

Albert,

I haven't taken the range time to check torque variations against ammo types/velocities, and since winter has set in, I won't have an opportunity until next spring.
Did you change the action bolts in your Walther from the slotted head type to hex-wrench type? I used to have a difficult time torqeing slot head bolts due to slippage of the wrench.
I have only heard anecdotal reports of the Anschutz 4 bolt action not living up to expectations. I'm sure that even those reports have hurts sales of that action. Since the accuracy results are not obviously superior, as reported by the users. one would wonder why Anschutz would continue with such an overbuilt, and probably expensive to manufacture action. Perhaps they will retire the experiment.
Here in central Canada, rimfire has never really been popular with adult shooters. It is sad that even this limited interest is dwindling. I live in a city of 700K and we are lucky to see 8 shooters at our monthly matches.
Airrifle however is more popular than ever, and continually growing. This is largely due to the ability to set up a temporary or permanent range with fewer regulations than a powder gun range. Air is definitly the future of competitive shooting in these parts.

Regards,
SP

Southpaw,
Some of the shooter I coach have bought the 4 screw anschutz in wooden and alu. stock. After testing with torque we found (as you mentioned) that there is no significant improvement in accuracy, but the rifles seem to be more sensitive to variation in torque and ammo.
A long time ago I changed the slotted screws to hex-wrench types. Setting the torque is no problem at all.
From the reactions on several sites I get the impression that shooting sport is getting less in every country on this globe, perhaps with the ecception of China - because of the coming Olympics.

Albert B
(The Netherlands)

I know someone who benchrests with a new Anschutz (20 series)and he claims that altering the torque dóes help accuracy on his rifle. But if you check the Anschutz manuals, you'll find a lot of screwtightening stuff: the correct stance of the rifle when tightening, even the angle, the torque of course, and the correct order...It might be that newer Anschutz rifles or actions or stocks are more sensitive to correct tightening than other brands.
It seems to be true that shootingsports is declining..laws are getting more and more strict everywhere and certainly .22 matchrifle isn't shot anymore. The one's that dó still have one on their licence probably have it for 20yrs already and bought it in the high days of .22 matchrifle shooting, about 20-30yrs ago. Everybody was shooting .22 matchrifle than. Now it's large caliber handgun, less-static disciplines (DSR, IPSC), and militairy rifles. But IMO that doesn't necessarily mean that's bad for ús: because of it, I managed to get my 1807 for a real low price!:)(gunshops are loaded with them and are dumping the prices to get rid of them). Airguns indeed are BOOMING business! Bút that'll soon result in stricter laws as well of course..:(