TargetTalk

Borz,

You make a valid point about the TOZ and finger length. That is worrisome for me since I do not have large hands or long fingers. I know I can save a little by going with the TOZ but I worry about the grip thing. If I go with a Hammerli 162e I wonder if the electric triggervis going to be a bigger support issue decisions decisions

I have had the privilege of owning several free pistols:

Morini CM84
MU55
Toz35
Toz 35 Side cocker
Hammerli 150, and
Matchguns MG5

I currently own the side cocker toz and the MG5. My best results in competition were with the Morini CM84, but felt it was a hard pistol to master. I have always found the Toz to be a forgiving pistol, and the MG5 which is very new to me seem to shoot well or better than I expected given how little I've shot recently.

I would say all the pistol above can shoot equal size groups, but its how you interact with the pistol is important and what interests you. I'm serious competitions days are behind me. I'm not interested in pistols that interest me, hence the side cocker and MG5.

I found Hammerli 150's rake angle was to extreme for me and I shot it very little as it hurt to shoot.

I would say that I too have owned the MU55 and Hammerli 160 Special and I am on my third TOZ. As far as ISSF comps I am not anywhere close to that. I just like to shoot the TOZ, I have long pianist fingers so the trigger is just fine, the sights are not the adjustable Morini's, just good old Russian farm machinery technology, and are as good as any others provided the left hand threaded elevation screw doesn't bollix your brain. Yes the Morini sight is avaiable for fitting at ~$400 and alot of jazzed up stuff, special barrel, sights, front and rear, compensator, an enclosure for the fore end---all of which will leave only the main mechanism still original for 2X-3X the cost of the TOZ original. And you will still have to learn this gun to be locally competitive. The Morini 84E is a grande weapon and as forgiving as the TOZ is, that's how unforgiving the Morini is. Ya pays yer money and takes yer choice. "Doc"

DukeShooter wrote:Borz,

You make a valid point about the TOZ and finger length. That is worrisome for me since I do not have large hands or long fingers. I know I can save a little by going with the TOZ but I worry about the grip thing. If I go with a Hammerli 162e I wonder if the electric triggervis going to be a bigger support issue decisions decisions

Take intro ccount that there are no spare parts available for the Hammerli 162 electronics.

If you want to go for an Hammerli, take the 160 or better the 160 special. Spare parts for these are still available as all critical parts (the complete breech unit including the firing pin and the complete trigger unit) are the same as on the current model = the FP60.

Note that the 160/162 are also not made for short fingers !

Take one thing into consideration:

At our shooting club they collected lots of toz spare parts over the years, and although there are about 50 firing pins, there aren't even two which are identical (i measured every one of them!). So if the toz you buy isn't coming with the original spare parts, good luck in finding a decent replacement. I made my decision for the morini, if aomething breaks, and if you have a credit card, they'll send you anything you need to wherever you are on this planet.

And they'll help you via email if there's a problem! At least they did when my cm162 was leaking...

In this discussion on free pistols no one has mentioned the new Pardini Electronic Free Pistol. Has anyone used, or seen one? Doesn't Larry Carter service Pardinis?

A74BEDLM wrote:How short are your fingers?
If they are short and unless you like shooting with a sideways trigger angle then beware of the Toz.

You just have to be brave and get in there with a Dremel. Sand out the wood in the trigger finger/thumb web area. Keep going till you see sparks, that means you have hit the corners of the frame. From there short finger can reach the trigger. To see what I mean hold you hand against the pistol with the grips removed, it's almost always a case of too much wood.

i have used a dremel at the frame of my pardini fpm. removed metal to reach the trigger like i want.
its no problem, just be careful...

Decision made (without using ruses metholodgy), I have purchased a TOZ 35!

Now the fun begins! Thanks for all your advice on FP! The hard part starts now waiting for it to arrive! I guess I'll go try to find some Ely match to try in it when it arrives!

The Duke

Duke, PM sent.

If you decide to pimp your Toz search the forum for an old Toz Modifications thread. Centra do some add-ons,