I'm about to buy a Morini CM84E, any comments on which is the "best" ammunition to use ? i.e. does it "like" (generally speaking) one brand or another ?
Also, does everyone use the same ammunition in training as in matches ?
All comments gratefully received.
Trev.
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Steve Swartz
Trevor:
You'll find if you do a search that this has been cussed and discussed several times before.
Shorthand version:
- Buy match grade ammo (some cheap stuff like CCI standard vel (blue box) Aguila, Wolf, etc. are considered "Match Ammo" OBTW)
- Each gun will slightly prefer one lot number (not brand) over another; two guns with consecutive serial numbers will slighlty prefer different brands/lot numbers
More importantly
- The difference between lot numbers for a single brand are frequently larger than the differences between different brands, for an individual gun
- The differences between serial numbers of individual gun models will frequently be larger than the differences between types of gun, for an individual lot number of ammo
Most importantly
- The differences between several "really good" lot number/serial number combinations and the "best" combination are meaningless
Therefore
- Find something that works "pretty good"* and forget about it until you are regularly breaking 550 in FP
These "rules of thumb" apply to .22 LR only- and are particularly true for pistols; still pretty true for rifles.
In my humble (of course) opinion.
Steve Swartz
* something that will give you 98%, ten shot groups, with dot scope, off sandbags
You'll find if you do a search that this has been cussed and discussed several times before.
Shorthand version:
- Buy match grade ammo (some cheap stuff like CCI standard vel (blue box) Aguila, Wolf, etc. are considered "Match Ammo" OBTW)
- Each gun will slightly prefer one lot number (not brand) over another; two guns with consecutive serial numbers will slighlty prefer different brands/lot numbers
More importantly
- The difference between lot numbers for a single brand are frequently larger than the differences between different brands, for an individual gun
- The differences between serial numbers of individual gun models will frequently be larger than the differences between types of gun, for an individual lot number of ammo
Most importantly
- The differences between several "really good" lot number/serial number combinations and the "best" combination are meaningless
Therefore
- Find something that works "pretty good"* and forget about it until you are regularly breaking 550 in FP
These "rules of thumb" apply to .22 LR only- and are particularly true for pistols; still pretty true for rifles.
In my humble (of course) opinion.
Steve Swartz
* something that will give you 98%, ten shot groups, with dot scope, off sandbags
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Jim Cronin
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FP Ammo Testing
Steve,
How did you mount a Dot scope on your FP? What hardware did you select? Thanks in advance for your help..
Jim
How did you mount a Dot scope on your FP? What hardware did you select? Thanks in advance for your help..
Jim
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Steve Swartz
Jim:
Get a block of nylon/phenolic/hardwood and drill a hole through it slightly undersize to barrel OD. Split in half and mount brakets ("Dogears") so you can clamp the two pieces together around the barrel. Saw a piece off a weaver rail to mount the dot on and screw it intot he top of the block.
I use a single-mount on a 1" Ultra Dot . . . with only one mount it "vibrates" a bit between shots but I can also keep the length of the mount block shorter.
I clamp it on my CM84E just in front of the reciever. I know it's having some effects on barrel harmonics etc. but I am looking for relative performance between different rounds, not absolute performance (since I shoot offhand anyhow).
Steve
[I tried clamping a laser sight onto the trigger guard . . . great idea in theory but in practice I would have had to aim the while looking at the dot on the target through a scope. Also limited the use of sandbags. Just wasn't practical.]
Get a block of nylon/phenolic/hardwood and drill a hole through it slightly undersize to barrel OD. Split in half and mount brakets ("Dogears") so you can clamp the two pieces together around the barrel. Saw a piece off a weaver rail to mount the dot on and screw it intot he top of the block.
I use a single-mount on a 1" Ultra Dot . . . with only one mount it "vibrates" a bit between shots but I can also keep the length of the mount block shorter.
I clamp it on my CM84E just in front of the reciever. I know it's having some effects on barrel harmonics etc. but I am looking for relative performance between different rounds, not absolute performance (since I shoot offhand anyhow).
Steve
[I tried clamping a laser sight onto the trigger guard . . . great idea in theory but in practice I would have had to aim the while looking at the dot on the target through a scope. Also limited the use of sandbags. Just wasn't practical.]
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Steve Swartz
Jim:
Get a block of nylon/phenolic/hardwood and drill a hole through it slightly undersize to barrel OD. Split in half and mount brakets ("Dogears") so you can clamp the two pieces together around the barrel. Saw a piece off a weaver rail to mount the dot on and screw it intot he top of the block.
I use a single-mount on a 1" Ultra Dot . . . with only one mount it "vibrates" a bit between shots but I can also keep the length of the mount block shorter.
I clamp it on my CM84E just in front of the reciever. I know it's having some effects on barrel harmonics etc. but I am looking for relative performance between different rounds, not absolute performance (since I shoot offhand anyhow).
Steve
[I tried clamping a laser sight onto the trigger guard . . . great idea in theory but in practice I would have had to aim the while looking at the dot on the target through a scope. Also limited the use of sandbags. Just wasn't practical.]
Get a block of nylon/phenolic/hardwood and drill a hole through it slightly undersize to barrel OD. Split in half and mount brakets ("Dogears") so you can clamp the two pieces together around the barrel. Saw a piece off a weaver rail to mount the dot on and screw it intot he top of the block.
I use a single-mount on a 1" Ultra Dot . . . with only one mount it "vibrates" a bit between shots but I can also keep the length of the mount block shorter.
I clamp it on my CM84E just in front of the reciever. I know it's having some effects on barrel harmonics etc. but I am looking for relative performance between different rounds, not absolute performance (since I shoot offhand anyhow).
Steve
[I tried clamping a laser sight onto the trigger guard . . . great idea in theory but in practice I would have had to aim the while looking at the dot on the target through a scope. Also limited the use of sandbags. Just wasn't practical.]
Thank you, it was one of those days when everything seemed to work out just the way you want to.
Tycho:
When was this? Last time I spoke with mr Skanaker he used Norma 1 and 2. They are not very cheap at all, but he is sponsored by Norma.
However I don't think he would go to the WC or Olympics with let's say CCI crap-ammo just becuase it's cheap.
Tycho:
When was this? Last time I spoke with mr Skanaker he used Norma 1 and 2. They are not very cheap at all, but he is sponsored by Norma.
However I don't think he would go to the WC or Olympics with let's say CCI crap-ammo just becuase it's cheap.
It was in an interview some years ago, but I can't remember where, perhaps I'll find it somewhere someday while cleaning up. I am very sure though about what (was written that) he said - I laughed for days afterwards :-) Me, as a FP-only-for-recreation shooter - I prefer the sort of ammo which cases get ejected by my 84E every single time - I hate those sticky cases...
Ammo & Ragnar
Our club in Melbourne (Oz) has a photo of Ragnar, next to a target with a possible (100) in Free Pistol - shot at the club years ago.
He used T22 because at the time it was the cheapest.
Backs up the claim...
By the way I use Geco Rifle in my Cm84e. Groups are only 3-4mm larger than Midas L(shot from a clamped
vice), which costs 5 times the price!
He used T22 because at the time it was the cheapest.
Backs up the claim...
By the way I use Geco Rifle in my Cm84e. Groups are only 3-4mm larger than Midas L(shot from a clamped
vice), which costs 5 times the price!