Perforated barrels and compensators for free pisol

JulianY · Post by **JulianY** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:15 am

Can some one confirm that my reading of the rules is correct;

The use of perforated barrels and compensators are now restricted to only two ISSF disciplines; Air Pistol and 50M ( Free Pistol)

many thanks

Julian

Spencer · Post by **Spencer** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:39 am

Compensators, muzzle brakes, perforated barrels or any device(s) functioning in a similar manner are not allowed. in 8.16.0 applies to 25 M pistols only.
not mentioned in 8.20.10, so presumably OK for the 10 M 5-shot events.

could it be that for 10 M and 50 M they don't make any real (as opposed to percieved) difference?

Spencer

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:47 am

Correct, if you have included the "rule 8.20" events under the Air Pistol banner.

The old Rapid-Fire (pre-2005) rules allowed compensators and ported barrels but that event is now obviously shot with Standard Pistols.

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:51 am

Spencer wrote: not mentioned in 8.20.10, so presumably OK for the 10 M 5-shot events.

Ported barrels and perforated barrel attachments are specifically allowed in 8.20.10

Bill A · Post by **Bill A** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:03 am

Julien,

Not that you asked: I think compensators on FP's are a horrible idea (they spread groups, get dirty and so on).

But what I'd like to know is--since I'm not a RF shooter--why DID they prohibit ports in RF guns, the one place they really make sense?

Bill

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:38 pm

Bill A wrote:why DID they prohibit ports in RF guns, the one place they really make sense?

Because they decided, rightly or wrongly, that RF should be shot with pistols conforming to the same specification as the other 25m .22 events.

Fred Mannis · Post by **Fred Mannis** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:23 pm

Bill A wrote: Not that you asked: I think compensators on FP's are a horrible idea (they spread groups, get dirty and so on).

Depends. My compensated FP shoots 0.5" 10 shot groups at 50 yds. You are right about the cleaning.

CraigE · Post by **CraigE** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:55 pm

Or is it from a bench :-) l anticipate the chance to cast gaze on "Mr. Mordini"

JulianY · Post by **JulianY** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:50 am

David Levene wrote: Because they decided, rightly or wrongly, that RF should be shot with pistols conforming to the same specification as the other 25m .22 events.

David,

Can you elaborate on their thinking at the time.

An interesting point is what happened to records after the change? Does the first match after the change produce a new record!

JY

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:50 am

JulianY wrote:
David Levene wrote: Because they decided, rightly or wrongly, that RF should be shot with pistols conforming to the same specification as the other 25m .22 events.
Can you elaborate on their thinking at the time.

An interesting point is what happened to records after the change? Does the first match after the change produce a new record!

It would be a very brave man who could guess what the ISSF were thinking at any time ;-) The grapevine was talking about making the event more accessable to more shooters who already owned Standard Pistols. They could already shoot the event with those pistols but were at a perceived disadvantage, even at club level. You could argue whether they have achieved a "level playing field" and whether that has or will increase the number of RF shooters but the fact remains that RF as an Olympic event is still under threat because of the small number of participants worldwide.

Yes, the first qualifying match after the new rules were introduced produced a new World Record. If you look at the ISSF's Records page you will see that there isn't a listed Olympic Record for RF, there hasn't been an Olympics under the new rules.

JulianY · Post by **JulianY** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:04 am

David Levene wrote: the fact remains that RF as an Olympic event is still under threat because of the small number of participants worldwide.

You could solve that problem in one go. Lower the MSQ

I happen to know there are people (you know them too) that would love to enter.

JY

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:33 am

JulianY wrote:
David Levene wrote: the fact remains that RF as an Olympic event is still under threat because of the small number of participants worldwide.
You could solve that problem in one go. Lower the MSQ

The problem isn't at National Squad or International level, it's at grass roots club level. There will always be enough shooters for the very top level of competition.

By "MSQ" I presume you are either referring to GB's "MCS" (minimum consideration score) for team selection or the ISSF's "MQS" (minimum qualification score" for eligability to shoot in the Olympics (subject to quota places).

If the former (MCS) then it is basesd on the average score required, during the current Olympic cycle, to place in the top 20 at World Cups, World Championships and European Championships. If a shooter is unable to achieve that score at least once then should they really be considered good enough for a national team?

If the latter (MQS) then I do not see the score level as putting people off. There are only 17 RF quota places available, they are much harder to win than the MQS is to achieve.

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Perforated barrels and compensators for free pisol

Perforated barrels and compensators for free pisol

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