I'm wanting to get into more prone shooting this year. I have an Anschutz 1907 with the standard ISU type stock. My question is, how much nicer are the 1918 or 1913 stocks? Advantages/disadvantages? Also, If I decide to look for one, how hard are they to find? Thanks in advance.
-Don
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Re: Smallbore Prone stocks
Don,
There are two, possibly four, major differences between a 1907 and a 1918 or 1913. There are:
1) Fore-end depth - your 1907 has a wedge-shaped fore-end, depending on how far out your sling arm reaches the barrel will sit high to really high. Moving the handstop will change the height of the sights. In contrast a 1913 has a shallower stock that is parallel, or effectively parallel; the barrel and sights sit lower in your hand, and this won't change (or only negligibly) if you move the handstop. A 1918 is even shallower than a 1913. Expect to use raiser blocks with a 1918 for a comfortable head position.
I'd add that early 1913 stocks (1987-'95-ish) were almost square in cross section, and a bit wider than a 1907. More recent 1913s and the 1918 are a more rounded, quite rounded indeed for the 1918.
2) Action position - 1907 stocks place the action further forwards than a 1913 or 1918. Match 54 bolts are long by today's standards, and pushing that away from you (and upwards thanks to the wedge-shaped fore-end) can hinder loading. Whereas a 1913/18 brings the breech about .5in back and down towards your hand. You would have to shunt the trigger forwards if swapping stocks, but a 5018 trigger has a fairly long rail.
3)Adjustment - Current 1907s have an adjustable cheekpiece and butt, so a 1913 doesn't offer more, other than a hook-butt as standard. Moreover, a 1918 provides more, and more refined, movement in the cheekpiece and an adjustable grip. However, not all 1907s are adjustable; those made in the '80s and '90s had to be packed with shims which was intentionally impractical on the firing line. Compared to this a 1913/1918 is a massive advancement.
4) Butt length - a 1918 is noticeably shorter from buttplate to grip than a 1907. If you are tall and want a longer butt, no problem, just wind it out. But, smaller shooters aren't forced into a over wide, or muzzle-heavy, position.
Against these points, a 1913 or 1918 will be heavier than a 1907 by a couple of pounds. This won't be an issue for most adults, and is likely to be a benefit for larger folk. The range and ease of adjustment may confuse and distract some though, especially if they don't have a coach or instructor.
There are two, possibly four, major differences between a 1907 and a 1918 or 1913. There are:
1) Fore-end depth - your 1907 has a wedge-shaped fore-end, depending on how far out your sling arm reaches the barrel will sit high to really high. Moving the handstop will change the height of the sights. In contrast a 1913 has a shallower stock that is parallel, or effectively parallel; the barrel and sights sit lower in your hand, and this won't change (or only negligibly) if you move the handstop. A 1918 is even shallower than a 1913. Expect to use raiser blocks with a 1918 for a comfortable head position.
I'd add that early 1913 stocks (1987-'95-ish) were almost square in cross section, and a bit wider than a 1907. More recent 1913s and the 1918 are a more rounded, quite rounded indeed for the 1918.
2) Action position - 1907 stocks place the action further forwards than a 1913 or 1918. Match 54 bolts are long by today's standards, and pushing that away from you (and upwards thanks to the wedge-shaped fore-end) can hinder loading. Whereas a 1913/18 brings the breech about .5in back and down towards your hand. You would have to shunt the trigger forwards if swapping stocks, but a 5018 trigger has a fairly long rail.
3)Adjustment - Current 1907s have an adjustable cheekpiece and butt, so a 1913 doesn't offer more, other than a hook-butt as standard. Moreover, a 1918 provides more, and more refined, movement in the cheekpiece and an adjustable grip. However, not all 1907s are adjustable; those made in the '80s and '90s had to be packed with shims which was intentionally impractical on the firing line. Compared to this a 1913/1918 is a massive advancement.
4) Butt length - a 1918 is noticeably shorter from buttplate to grip than a 1907. If you are tall and want a longer butt, no problem, just wind it out. But, smaller shooters aren't forced into a over wide, or muzzle-heavy, position.
Against these points, a 1913 or 1918 will be heavier than a 1907 by a couple of pounds. This won't be an issue for most adults, and is likely to be a benefit for larger folk. The range and ease of adjustment may confuse and distract some though, especially if they don't have a coach or instructor.
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Re: Smallbore Prone stocks
Thanks Tim S!
That is great information. That explains some of the sighting issues I was having, while moving the hand stop back and forth. I also noticed the difficulty loading with the stock in postion...it's a bit of stretch, but I can do it.
Well now comes the hard part. Who has one available, and how much? I dont see any listed, anywhere.
That is great information. That explains some of the sighting issues I was having, while moving the hand stop back and forth. I also noticed the difficulty loading with the stock in postion...it's a bit of stretch, but I can do it.
Well now comes the hard part. Who has one available, and how much? I dont see any listed, anywhere.
Re: Smallbore Prone stocks
Don,
I'm afraid I can't help with finding a stock, unless you're in the UK.
That said, are you fixed on the 1913/1918 Precise, or do you want to upgrade your 1907 and just mentioned some if the factory options? I ask that because there are many non-Anschutz alternatives. Although Anschutz no longer dominate smallbore shooting, there are a lot of Match 54 rifles out there, and lots of compatible stocks. Currently, Tec-Hro, Tesco, Grunig & Elmiger, Esprit Carabine, Keppeler, System Gemini, and MEC offer drop-in options for a 1907 barrel; some require an adaptor, but these are typically sold with the stock.
I'm afraid I can't help with finding a stock, unless you're in the UK.
That said, are you fixed on the 1913/1918 Precise, or do you want to upgrade your 1907 and just mentioned some if the factory options? I ask that because there are many non-Anschutz alternatives. Although Anschutz no longer dominate smallbore shooting, there are a lot of Match 54 rifles out there, and lots of compatible stocks. Currently, Tec-Hro, Tesco, Grunig & Elmiger, Esprit Carabine, Keppeler, System Gemini, and MEC offer drop-in options for a 1907 barrel; some require an adaptor, but these are typically sold with the stock.
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Tim,
I'm interested in any quality option available. I would lean toward more toward and aluminum option, but would cpnsider a 1913 stock if the price was good. I checked around and haven't seen any stocks available ( Anschutz or aftermarket). I'll list a WTB, and see if anything presents itself. I'm near Pittsburgh and Columbus. Thanks for the help.
I'm interested in any quality option available. I would lean toward more toward and aluminum option, but would cpnsider a 1913 stock if the price was good. I checked around and haven't seen any stocks available ( Anschutz or aftermarket). I'll list a WTB, and see if anything presents itself. I'm near Pittsburgh and Columbus. Thanks for the help.
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If you want a 1918 Precise just call Anschutz North America direct. I spoke to them last month about some stuff for a couple of customers and they had some 1918s and were expecting a container to arrive this month.Jaggerock1 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 3:34 pm Tim,
I'm interested in any quality option available. I would lean toward more toward and aluminum option, but would cpnsider a 1913 stock if the price was good. I checked around and haven't seen any stocks available ( Anschutz or aftermarket). I'll list a WTB, and see if anything presents itself. I'm near Pittsburgh and Columbus. Thanks for the help.
Nordic Marksman in Canada has one or two complete 1918s available and the current exchange rate is 70 cents on the Canadian dollar so you will save some coin.
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10-4, I'll check with Anschutz North America this week too. Thanks
Re: Smallbore Prone stocks
I have used a 2018 for prone (same as the 1918 but with the 2013 action in it), and I didn't care for it at all. You won't see many of them at prone matches. Most dedicated anschutz prone shooters use the 1911 style stock.
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Is that the case is the US? Here in the UK, prone stocks are around, but xx13 models dominate.
For the OP, the 1911 (and the identical 1811, and almost identical later 1411) offer a parallel fore-end very similar to a 1913 (but very square in profile). The cheekpiece is adjustable by a thumbscrew, and the open pistol grip is faster to take hold of than the 1913 thumbhole or an articulated 1918. A 1911 is about 12lb with a heavy barrel vs 13-14lb for a 1913, so 11lb-is with your 1907 barrel.
Against this the action is seated further forwards than a 1913/18, so there's more movement to load. The butt is long, with only vertical adjustment. Setting up a 1911 would be much quicker than a 1913 or 1918, but you can't tailor the fit. Personally I like the balance of the 1911, but did not like the fit.
For the OP, the 1911 (and the identical 1811, and almost identical later 1411) offer a parallel fore-end very similar to a 1913 (but very square in profile). The cheekpiece is adjustable by a thumbscrew, and the open pistol grip is faster to take hold of than the 1913 thumbhole or an articulated 1918. A 1911 is about 12lb with a heavy barrel vs 13-14lb for a 1913, so 11lb-is with your 1907 barrel.
Against this the action is seated further forwards than a 1913/18, so there's more movement to load. The butt is long, with only vertical adjustment. Setting up a 1911 would be much quicker than a 1913 or 1918, but you can't tailor the fit. Personally I like the balance of the 1911, but did not like the fit.
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Thanks guys, i'll keep the options to a 1913, or aluminum option. I want the adjustability, shorter reach and more narrow forend.
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Yes. When I shot the Mid-Atlantic Prone 6400 last June, I counted about 1/3 of the line using a 14/18/1911 stock or a copy of it. Of course there were plenty of aluminum stocks as well.
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Re: Smallbore Prone stocks
Champion's Choice and Oberle Enterprises have stocks for the 19xx Anschutz series rifles.Jaggerock1 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 3:34 pm Tim,
I'm interested in any quality option available. I would lean toward more toward and aluminum option, but would cpnsider a 1913 stock if the price was good. I checked around and haven't seen any stocks available ( Anschutz or aftermarket). I'll list a WTB, and see if anything presents itself. I'm near Pittsburgh and Columbus. Thanks for the help.