There are other options for laser modules - for example Accurize system that actually has an acoustically activated laser plug that just get inserted in any air pistol or rifle. On the other end one can use either Accurize laser target or something like LaserAcademy from Mantis. This entire setup is going to run about 1/3 the price of Scatt (throw in Mantis sensor and it is still 1/2 of a price or better for basic analysis and simple but accurate dry-fire scoring)conradin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:23 am One thing I forgot to mention about Hammerli AR20. Do not purchase it until you send an email or make a phone call to Walther and ask them when will the laser module be coming out. That module is very useful,it essentially helps you train without the need to use pellets and air. The module is installed in the space which the air cylinder used to occupy. Then you have to buy their laser target of course. Unfortunately you have to buy the laser option FIRST, as that module is installed with the rifle itself. My guess is they need to put in some special parts inside the rifle in order to install the module. So if you do not have the laser module, you cannot just pull the air cylinder out and put the module in. The extra part of the module needs to be installed inside the factory. I think it is a very good option. After all the idea is about teaching young children with a safer option, and using laser will not have a freak accident of shooting a pellet towards an unsafe direction.
Then you can purchase the rest of the normal set up, that is, the air cylinder and the mechanism.
If you ended up buying the AR-20 with the regular set up, and want to have the laser install, the only option you can do is to send the Hammerli back to Walther, We all know how much pain in the a** for Germany to ship the rifle back, because for them, any type of gun is a weapon and hence it has very complicated laws about them, and the seller has to jump through hoops to deal with the customs. Perhaps you can contact Walther here in the USA and see if they can help you. Walther has decent customer service.
I found out myself when I bought my last AR-20, I should have waited out until the laser unit is for sale. But then again I eventually got a couple of air rifles later and I am very happy with them, so I sold my AR-20.
Of course if you do not care about this extra module, then go ahead and buy whatever you want, including the regular non-modified AR-20. Or maybe you are willing to wait, then just buy a Crossman or pick up a third hand rifle from the Market section here for now. You can always sell it back.
I have no real knowledge about having a rifle shooting laser as opposed to pellets, but one of my coach who taught me how to shoot trap stated that a lot of places now uses a laser module for their shotgun, the idea being you can train indoors such as inside the school gym.
Of course, if you do not care about the module, but still want something like that, then after buying the air rifle you want, go purchase SCATT. It is essentially the same idea. Since you have a 10M lane, you certainly can get a SCATT system instead. SCATT does not work for me because the longest lane I can set up is 8m. SCATT does not work well if it is under 10m.
Good luck and happy hunting.
I am just a regular person, so I have to say that I am not an expert on this subject. But this is what I know, based on my own experience awhile ago
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