Eley Edge

conradin · Post by **conradin** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:14 am

We just bought one box to check it out. We have not tried it yet. Anyone has tried it and can give us some insight into it? Free Pistol (electronic), Free Pistol (mechanical, set trigger), Regular Semi-Automatic, etc.

joel · Post by **joel** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:06 am

I think that it is a matter of being gun specific, not format specific. For example, when I used to shoot a Hammerli 152 about 15 years ago, it loved Eley. The guns I have now, Steyr FP, AW93, and 1813SM, aren't so happy with Eley. The fit is too tight and ejection is sticky. It might shoot fine, but I don't like having to battle the spent round in the FP or when prone shooting rifle. My stuff all like SK, RWS, and Lapua. You just need to buy a box of each and see how they feel. Then, when they feel good, you can start worrying about lot numbers. I am so far removed from worrying about millimeters of accuracy, that I am much more concerned about function.

HTH,

Joel

conradin · Post by **conradin** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:02 pm

I would just like to know if anyone has use it, on what, and their experience and give me a heads up.

C. Perkins · Post by **C. Perkins** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:09 pm

Conradin;

Go to the shooters loungr page and almost to the bottom you will find a small thread on Eley Edge with some of my remarks.
Hope this helps.
Have yet to try it out in my BSA International MKII smallbore rifle, maybe this weekend.

Clarence

conradin · Post by **conradin** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:18 pm

The reporting kind of portraying it as inconsistent, and given what it was advertised for, very disturbing. How can a rifle shooter experienced excellent result while an FP shooter like you reported negative result? Eley traditionally market their ammo wither for long or short barrel, with the exception of OSP which is for RFP.

I makes me wonder if in reality what we have is the lowest grade organic Eley, ie. Team., and Eley is attempting to experiment with the new lubrication formula/method on it to see what happened. I will not be surprised they will pull it off the market in a couple of years, or begin to use the same, but possibly improved, lubrication method and apply it to Match, using genuine Match grade rounds.

If you test the FP and founds out it is not good, then there is not a whole lot to say about it since you are a veteran and your experience is more precious than most people here.

At this point we have already decided NOT to use the Edge at all. They will be used for jewelry making. Black casing is kinda cool.

C. Perkins · Post by **C. Perkins** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:38 pm

Conradin;

I wish I could get out and test it in my rifle, hope it will be soon, too busy with pistol right now.

From all my research and personal measuring of these bullets, the Edge bullets are about .001" larger in diameter and do not fit well in a match grade chamber because of it.

Very few if any have tested it in a free pistol or automatic from my search, only in rifles.

Seems that match grade rifles are good and most bad.
But with older rifles that are some what worn in the chamber and throat are having excellent results.

In a way, if this Edge can revive an older rifle to make it shoot lights out, then there will be a market for it.

It is only my findings of using my pistols that I will not use it for free pistol and will only use it for the short line in my Marvel if needed.

It may excel in my International, that has yet to be determined.

Ammo is ammo and the device shooting it may or may not like it.

Go try it out in what you have, you may have different results.

Clarence

conradin · Post by **conradin** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:48 pm

Well, I would have like to try it on the IZH-35M, but it is not mine and the misses already put her foot down.

The only pistol I am willing to use it and try it is my S&W Perfected model. But obviously it is no longer for competition. I am happy with the diet of my CM84E, and also my backup, the Bühag. So I don't need to switch Ammo. I was mostly curious if this Edge can be a good substitute for Eley Match Pistol if she ever get into SP or NRA900.

In any case, Eley Team is our prefer choice for regular shooting, for obvious economic reasons.

Well the point is moot now.

Hemmers · Post by **Hemmers** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:31 am

conradin wrote:I makes me wonder if in reality what we have is the lowest grade organic Eley, ie. Team., and Eley is attempting to experiment with the new lubrication formula/method on it to see what happened. I will not be surprised they will pull it off the market in a couple of years, or begin to use the same, but possibly improved, lubrication method and apply it to Match, using genuine Match grade rounds.

Edge is not Team, although it is replacing it. Additionally it is a rifle round. Mileage may vary in Free Pistols (but then Team isn't really a Pistol round either, it just seems to work all right for some people. I don't think you should write off Edge just because the first box you bought didn't work great. Try a couple of different batches, we all know about batch testing and how same-brand ammo can perform differently, that's why people batch test).

For those not aware, Team and Match are byproducts of Tenex production - when product from the Tenex loading machines is proofed it is graded for consistency/quality and anything that does not conform to the Tenex performance profile is downgraded to Match/Team or occasionally junked.

About 18 months ago they had real problems with quality and were producing lots of Match and Team and almost no Tenex, with the result they sporadically had to close the test range as there weren't enough Tenex batches in stock to make it worth people testing their barrels!

As a result they burned a large amount of money on product development and quality control, with the result they have massively upped their game and are now producing almost exclusively Tenex, a little Match, and barely getting any Team at all.

This leaves shooters with a problem as it leaves them without an affordable training round.

The difference between white head and black head is that black head has graphite in it to lubricate it in the moulds and loading machinery which gives a less consistent neck pressure (the pressure needed for the bullet to part company with the casing).
By applying the black surface treatment to the casings, they have improved the consistency to the point where Edge is much more accurate than it would be if you loaded that bullet on regular, untreated brass. You will also notice the Edge has the EPS profile with a nipple, despite being black-headed.

Edge is produced on the autoloaders, not the Tenex loading machines, but is tested using the Match performance profile on the proof range. What this means they can produce a lot of Edge on demand and are not waiting for a bad batch of Tenex, or having to down-label Match!

It's my understanding Team is disappearing - it wasn't listed as an available product on the most recent price sheet I saw from Eley (although that was a UK list so they might be shipping very small quantities of Team abroad, on the basis domestic shooters (almost all rifle because of our laws!) can use Edge and the very small number of Free Pistol shooters will make do with Match Pistol or something.

For riflers this is not a bad thing - availability should be much better than for Team as it's an independent product, and production can be scaled to match demand, whereas Team is a byproduct and therefore by definition supply will vary. For pistolers it's obviously a bit of an issue. The nearest dedicated Pistol round would be Match Pistol (not that Team was really a pistol round, but it seemed to work all right for people). That said, you probably want to try a couple of different batches of Edge to see if it works for you.