Due to changing condition, can a competitor change a brand and caliber of one's pellets during the middle of a competition (RWS 4.5mm Rifle to H&N 4.49mm Pistol)?
Is it permissible to shoot felt pellet for cleaning purposes during a competition (after the sighting period).
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David Levene
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The question is asked for "in theory" and what the rules say. I highly doubt anyone would have to change different caliber of pellets in the middle of the match.
After all, in theory, one could be in an outdoor match using normal pistol pellets and then it turns windy and one switches to rifle pellets.
Personally I already know what my AP's diet is, I have no intention to ever changing her diet.
After all, in theory, one could be in an outdoor match using normal pistol pellets and then it turns windy and one switches to rifle pellets.
Personally I already know what my AP's diet is, I have no intention to ever changing her diet.
I've never fired a cleaning pellet through my Baikal 46m nor my Pardini K10. Clamped the K10 in a vise yesterday and shot a pile of RWS Hobby pellets at 10 meters, adjusting velocity until I found the smallest pattern with between 15 and 25 pellets at each velocity. Turned out these dirt-cheap pellets work best in my Pardini at around 480fps. Go figure. I'd been shooting at speeds between about 520 and 560fps, but the groups open right up as the speed increases. Guess I'll have to work harder on follow-through, as the higher velocities were getting the pellets out before my typical flipping errors. But if I'm disciplined about holding for at least half a second after the shot the Hobby pellets can all hit the 10 quite easily.
Perhaps not so with a more precisely made pellet, but I'm cheap and local suppliers are impossible about bringing in better pellets so far. And ordering through eBay or whatever is just silly-expensive for the shipping part. So I'll stick with Hobby at $67/sleeve for now, as the holes are about 7mm round with the lower velocity.
But back to your cleaning pellet comment; I've cleaned the barrels the odd time, maybe every 5,000 shots, with a felt patch soaked in oil then a couple dry. The pistols all shoot better after 'breaking in' with at least 100 pellets after that, shooting like crap with a clean barrel. I really think AP is better without any cleaning, provided one uses pure lead pellets not those high-velocity alloy things.
Perhaps not so with a more precisely made pellet, but I'm cheap and local suppliers are impossible about bringing in better pellets so far. And ordering through eBay or whatever is just silly-expensive for the shipping part. So I'll stick with Hobby at $67/sleeve for now, as the holes are about 7mm round with the lower velocity.
But back to your cleaning pellet comment; I've cleaned the barrels the odd time, maybe every 5,000 shots, with a felt patch soaked in oil then a couple dry. The pistols all shoot better after 'breaking in' with at least 100 pellets after that, shooting like crap with a clean barrel. I really think AP is better without any cleaning, provided one uses pure lead pellets not those high-velocity alloy things.
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David Levene
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Hating to be pedantic (who? me? surely not) but if you were in an outdoor match then you wouldn't be shooting under strict ISSF rules anyway. You would need to check the local rules to see if you could change pellets ;-)conradin wrote:After all, in theory, one could be in an outdoor match using normal pistol pellets and then it turns windy and one switches to rifle pellets.
You are not changing calibre by using different pellet diameters. It is still 0.177 or 4.5 calibre even if the pellets change from 4.48 to 4.52 mm (the lower and upper limits of commercially available 4.5 cal pellets, I believe).
Most people would not know the diameters af the 22 cal projectiles they use and I've no doubt they have a huge variation.
Even more interesting though is that 9mm projectiles are usually 0.356" and 38 cal projectiles are 0.357" - and they are different calibres that you cannot change in a centre fire match but I believe that you could use 357 projectiles for precision and the 356's for rapid fire stage when loaded into 38 Special cases and that would not be a change of calibre! Why you would want to is another matter!
Most people would not know the diameters af the 22 cal projectiles they use and I've no doubt they have a huge variation.
Even more interesting though is that 9mm projectiles are usually 0.356" and 38 cal projectiles are 0.357" - and they are different calibres that you cannot change in a centre fire match but I believe that you could use 357 projectiles for precision and the 356's for rapid fire stage when loaded into 38 Special cases and that would not be a change of calibre! Why you would want to is another matter!
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RandomShotz
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In theory, why would one want to change to heavier pellets in breezy conditions? Unless there was also a change in the regulator to give the pellet a greater boost, they would be slower and spend more time in flight affected by the wind, no?Conradin wrote:After all, in theory, one could be in an outdoor match using normal pistol pellets and then it turns windy and one switches to rifle pellets.
Roger
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