A new .22 - on the horns of a dilemma

Leon · Post by **Leon** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:41 am

I'm in the market for a new .22 and have the following on my shortlist -

1. Walther SSP with Nills grip

2. Newly updated model of the Benelli M90S.

3. An unfired, new old stock FAS SP607 which I've located in Europe and will have to import myself.

4. Morini CM22 RF.

Cost wise, the SSP is the most expensive, the Benelli MP90S $200 cheaper, the CM22 RF $400 cheaper than the SSP,and the 607 $500 cheaper than the SSP.

I like the 607 and wonder if it has now been eclipsed by the competition. Although cheeper than the others listed here, it will have no warranty.

The Benelli has been updated with a new trigger system, new rear sight and other new features.

The SSP with Nills grip felt fantastic and this grip is a huge improvement over the standard grey Walther grip.

Although initially enthusiastic about the 607, I'm now leaning towards either the SSP or updated MP90S. I also don't like the non-adjustable rear sight notch of the 607.

Any comments or suggestions?

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:05 am

Leon wrote:I like the 607 and wonder if it has now been eclipsed by the competition.

I'm not sure at what serial number it happened but FAS changed the internal design of the trigger. Later ones no longer have the ability to have "the dip" at the end of the first stage.

To describe the dip, imagine pushing a ball up a hill and it rolls into a small dip in the hill. It doesn't take as much effort to hold it there and if you let go it will roll back down the hill. That's the feeling of "the dip"; later 607s don't have it.

j-team · Post by **j-team** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:10 am

Personally I wouldn't choose any of those 4, but if I was forced to choose it would be the Benelli.

Walther: Too expensive and I don't like the "glock like" trigger.

FAS: OK, but out of production.

Morini: The malfunctions will drive you mad.

Benelli: At least reliable and well made.

Leon · Post by **Leon** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:27 am

This is what the updated MP90S looks like.... Click on the picture to expand it.

I'm kinda leaning towards it though the SSP, when I handled it, felt fantastic.

The MP90S does not have any advanced recoil damping like the SSP though.

SSPS supposedly also have new trigger units, introduced by Walther in response to criticisms of the trigger.

Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:29 am

Don't start me on the "recoil damping system" of the SSP, any well balanced Pardini or Matchguns will shoot much flatter than the Walther. That gun jumps like a kangaroo on LSD. I'd go for the Benelli, well made, good grip, reliable.

deadeyedick · Post by **deadeyedick** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:09 am

I have to agree with tycho. I have owned an SSP and even though I loved many qualities of the SSP, it's pneumatic recoil dampening system seemed that it made no or little difference. The analogy to a kangaroo wasn't that far from the truth.
A gun I have recently been impressed with is the Hammerli RRS. Shoots nearly as flat as my Matchgun did, with a great trigger , grip and sights.

David M · Post by **David M** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:21 pm

I have two Hammerli SP20 RRS's (.22 & .32) for just over 12 months now and they are working very well. They are worth a look.

Leon · Post by **Leon** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:47 pm

j-team wrote:Personally I wouldn't choose any of those 4, but if I was forced to choose it would be the Benelli.

Walther: Too expensive and I don't like the "glock like" trigger.

FAS: OK, but out of production.

Morini: The malfunctions will drive you mad.

Benelli: At least reliable and well made.

As a matter of interest, which of the current crop of .22 pistols would you choose?

j-team · Post by **j-team** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:34 pm

Leon wrote:
j-team wrote:Personally I wouldn't choose any of those 4, but if I was forced to choose it would be the Benelli.

Walther: Too expensive and I don't like the "glock like" trigger.

FAS: OK, but out of production.

Morini: The malfunctions will drive you mad.

Benelli: At least reliable and well made.
As a matter of interest, which of the current crop of .22 pistols would you choose?

Pardini

Leon · Post by **Leon** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:53 pm

David M wrote:I have two Hammerli SP20 RRS's (.22 & .32) for just over 12 months now and they are working very well. They are worth a look.

I wonder if the time of these has come to an end?. I downloaded the Walther 2012 - 2013 catalogue the other night and there was no mention of the SP20s. FP60 was listed, but branded as a Walther.

jbshooter · Post by **jbshooter** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:32 pm

My two quids worth.
I'm not a 570 target shooter but I'm okay on the engineering details, and buy guns more for technical reasons. Never had any personal experience with Pardini but the numbers in competition must speak volumes for it. Had a SSP, excellent gun but sold it, recoil damping overly complicated, got trigger really good in the end. MG2 is another story, excellent on the range, I know exactly what you mean by trigger dip because I acheived it in the MG2 accidentally while trying to polish out some grittiness in the first stage. MG2 is really heavy with all that gear at the muzzle but I moved the grip 5mm forward by machining out the inside rear face of the grip. Better balanced now. Will never sell it. I've got an MP90S in .32S&W for centrefire - if the 22 is built like the 32 then you will have a reliable and robust gun, well built with a grip that fits (for me) to give natural point without modification. I've got lots of mates with CM22's and they don't seem to have any issues with them. I wouldn't mind trying a AW93, not to buy - just to try. I used to have a Hammerli 280 which I think had the best trigger of any gun full stop, so the SP20 should warrant a look because I think it has the same trigger.

David M · Post by **David M** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:55 am

Still available
http://www.carl-walther.de/cw.php?lang= ... =haemmerli

But not sure if the special deal “Ready for London” promotion is still available, contact mail@frontierarms.com.au

Leon · Post by **Leon** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:57 am

What's everyone's opinion about Tesro? The models look fantastic.

http://www.tesro.de/?MSID=231&TSID=2mpg ... 82i8l9l0p6

Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:34 am

Two in our club. Excellent finish, very nose-heavy, reliability so-so, and when I saw a rear sight fall off during a match, it was off my list. Was an early model, though, might be fixed.

Reinhamre · Post by **Reinhamre** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:59 am

Here in Sweden the Benelli has no dealer and no spare parts! SSP is coming in a -E version. In that category we do not have plenty to choose from. If you do not fansy a mussle heavy Pardini. SSP may not be perfect but it sure is light. Many happy users here in Sweden.

paw080 · Post by **paw080** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:19 pm

Hi Leon, I've got a Morini CM22M RF and I say it is excellent! I'ts very easy
to shoot and adjust to your stance and your ammunition choice.
My RF so far will run every 22lr ammunition that I've tried; Eley Target,
Eely Sport(cheap!), SK plus, RWS target, CCI SV, Fiocchi...
Here is a link to Spencer's(Aussie) guide to the Morini CM22M RF;

http://www.australiancynic.com/MoriniCM22RF.pdf

I really think the Morini CM22 RF is a great choice, and it's simple to
field strip for cleaning. Best of luck;

Tony

j-team · Post by **j-team** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:02 pm

http://toz35.blogspot.co.nz/2012/05/wc- ... istol.html

58 of the best RF shooters and no one chooses to use a Morini... Just pointing out the obvious.

David M · Post by **David M** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:30 pm

Leon, if you want a Tesro, I can sell you one real cheap.

brakarzac · Post by **brakarzac** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:44 pm

David M wrote:I have two Hammerli SP20 RRS's (.22 & .32) for just over 12 months now and they are working very well. They are worth a look.

I have to agree with David, I brought a the same units myself last year too and apart from me not cleaning the gun at one match, totally flawless and I have put through over 10,000 rounds in the last year.

Well worth a look and a good price right now.

As for the guns on your list, wouldnt bother with any of them...
We are selling the wifes Morini CM22 RF to buy the FWB AW 93.
Benelli parts very hard to get in Australia. Beretta not know for supporting after sale.
FAS out of production, what happens when you get a failure?
Walther SSP, I have seen a few too many problems on the line...

cheers
Brad

JiriK · Post by **JiriK** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:28 am

Why not order parts online?

I have Benelli MP90S World cups in .22LR (bought new 1996) and .32S&W (1997)
Recoil damper on .32 had crumbled and needed to be replaced. Asked finnish importer: Over 30€ for that tiny piece of plastic!

So I went online and ordered new dampers from Larrys´s guns.
Don´t remember exact prices, but I got five dampers for less than what one would have cost here.
So I ordered spare firing pins and new springs for both pistols - just in case. Already replaced the springs on .22. Not difficult.

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