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jiro · Post by **jiro** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:24 pm

has anyone made a video on HOW TO refill a steyr LP1 CO2 pistol cylinder?

i recently purchased a used one, but i don't know how to REFILL the canister (aka cylinder) when its depleted of CO2. can anyone assist? thanks, jiro.

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:56 pm

First does your bulk tank have a syphon tube? This is a tube that goes to the bottom of the tank so that when you open the valve liquid comes out.

If so

1. Attach your adapter tight but not overly tight to the bulk tank
2. If you want a really full fill refrigerate your pistol cylinder, you will most likely get an adequate fill from room temp cylinder (less likely to over fill too)
3. Attach the pistol cylinder to the adapter
4. open valve relatively slowly.
5. close valve
6. unscrew pistol cylinder from adapter (be careful some CO2 will come out its cold and can burn you a little just keep your hand away from the fill end and quickly unscrew the cylinder).
7. You're done

I'm sure if I missed something someone else will add it.

You can go through the weighing it routine but most people I know don't bother and fill from room temp.

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:07 pm

First you acquire a tank of CO2. 20 pound capacity preferred. Determine if it has a siphon (preferred). You can buy one at a welding supply.

Screw the adapter that should have come with the gun into the tank. If you don't have one, our host will sell you one.

Chill the cylinder in the refrigerator for 15 minutes. (Not absolutely necessary)

Screw the cylinder onto the adapter. If it has a siphon, lean the tank so the cylinder points down at about 45 degrees. Open the valve for 10 seconds. The cylinder will get warm.

If the tank has no siphon, turn it upside down and open the valve for 10 seconds. The cylinder will get warm.

Remember you are dealing with a liquid, not a gas.

Close the valve and unscrew the cylinder.

Screw the cylinder onto the gun.

Insert pellet and shoot the gun.

jiro · Post by **jiro** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:27 pm

pistol purchase came with tools, tank, scale, two cylinders, two grips, occuluder (?), case and lock, but no manual.

in person, the seller showed me how-to refill the cylinder but i obviously didn't retain much of her demonstration.

she bled (her word, not mine) the cylinder first before attaching it to the tank. i suppose to chill it, is that right?

why is it even necessary for it to be cold? what are the negatives in not doing so first? curious is all. i don't want to ruin equipment if i can prevent it by being cautious.

lastly, how much are these pistols worth? i went into the purchase blind and used my better (NOVICE) judgment to settle on 500 usd. did i get ripped off? did i pay too little?

woman was a friend of the family. she had 7 or 8 world class pistols for sale, or so i was told. the one i purchased was banged up, but with the most stickers on the grip. i took this to be a good sign though i couldn't tell you what they stood for, they were all in foreign languages. also, the grip was unfinished but sculpted in a way that it fit her hand like a glove. again, i'm not sure what this has to do with anything, but to me it looked like a gem in the rough. it's definitely old and rickety looking, but i hope useful.

any comments?

thanks again Richard H and Rover for assisting.

jiro

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:24 pm

Price isn't bad, especially with extra grips (that you can easily sell) and tank. The pistol is "bulletproof" and requires no maintenance. You won't need more than some O-rings. If needed, Pilk can rebuild for you if you're not handy. (Check the web)

Don't bother with cooling, bleeding, weighing, etc. Just screw the cylinder onto the tank and open the valve. You won't get as many shots per fill, but it will be quicker, easier, and problem-free. You'll get a uniform fill until your CO2 tank is empty.

If you insist, you can cool the cylinder; bleed or refrigerate. You can overfill the cylinder if you get it very cold. Then the gun won't work until it's bled.

GaryN · Post by **GaryN** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:47 pm

Bleeding the cylinder causes it to cool down, same as putting into the fridge for a bit.
What the cool cylinder does is allow more co2 to be drawn into the cylinder.
BUT the caution is you MUST weigh the cylinder to make sure that you have not overfilled it.

On the cylinder should be 2 number.
a lower number = weight of empty cylinder
a higher number - weight of fully loaded cylinder

Some cylinders instead of a high number will have a weight for the max co2. In that case you add that number to the weight of the empty cylinder to arrive at the max weight.

jiro · Post by **jiro** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:50 pm

the tank has a siphon tube, at least that's what's written on its exterior.

good to know i didn't over pay, and with accessories it seemed very fair.

there are O-rings, several sizes and thicknesses, and a few L wrenches.

now what happens when the cylinder is out of CO2 while on the pistol?

will there be a decompression burst or lack of power to propel a pellet?

can you clarify "You'll get a uniform fill until your CO2 tank is empty."

i'm MOSTLY confused by "uniform fill" reference? thanks again Rover.

GaryN · Post by **GaryN** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:51 pm

For a manual:
Contact Pilkingtons and ask if they have a copy of the manual.
If they do not, contact Steyr and ask them for a copy of the manual.

jiro · Post by **jiro** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:08 pm

thanks GaryN, i was about to ask about the numbers on the cylinders, they differ between the two, i suppose because one is aluminum and the other is steel.

Pilkguns doesn't sell LP1 manuals, it seems no one carries them, so Steyr is sending me one, but until it arrives i knew i could turn to TargetTalk for some help.

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:13 pm

"Uniform fill" means you will get the same amount of CO2 in your cylinder every time you fill it. Once you figure out how many shots that will give you, you won't need to concern yourself about the gun running out of gas in the middle of a match. You can get a uniform fill by refilling no matter how few or many times you've shot. A shaker box makes getting the count easy.

I'm guessing you'll get 150 to 200 shots (maybe more) before needing a refill. You can tell when you're very low because the gun will make noticeably less noise and the pellet will take longer to reach the target (you can hear it). As long as the cylinder has some liquid in it the velocity will remain uniform. The faster the gun is shooting, the faster you'll run out.

Get an owners manual. I like RWS Basic pellets at about 500 to 525 fps, but whatever the gun is set at now is probably OK.

C. Perkins · Post by **C. Perkins** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:16 pm

Go to Pilk wbsite.
Click on "coaching and info"
Click on "10P files"
Click on "Steyr" in left column
Click on "LP1"
Go to bottom of page.
Click on PDF manual.

Hope this helps.

Clarence

jiro · Post by **jiro** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:19 pm

thanks Rover, totally understand what you're saying now, and it makes clear sense, even to a new shooter. i haven't ordered any pellets yet, but RWS is on the list now.

jiro · Post by **jiro** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:22 pm

thanks Clarence, but i don't see a manual for LP1, only a drawing. hm?

C. Perkins · Post by **C. Perkins** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:27 pm

At the pottom of that drawing is the pdf upload for the manual.
Scroll all the way down.

jiro · Post by **jiro** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:31 pm

ok Clarence i found it, now i just have to determine which model i have, first or late, neither of which looks EXACTLY like my pistol, but i'll figure it out.

C. Perkins · Post by **C. Perkins** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:34 pm

I dont know that the co2 refilling precess is any different with the 2 models
Rover could help with that, hes been around a long while.

Clarence

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:26 pm

Clarence is now expert on the subject since he became the proud owner of the Steyr LP1 "Foo Foo", the ultra-rare (engraved by Pilkington) variation of the model yearned for by air pistol connysewers everywhere.

Humble yourself, peasant!

The only thing you have to do now is get your grip set up (don't ask me; do a search) and maybe tweak your rear sight.

Before you buy pellets, read this:

viewtopic.php?t=30011&start=0 and this:

http://www.targettalk.org/viewtopic.php?t=30593

C. Perkins · Post by **C. Perkins** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:53 pm

Rover;

Yes, a proud owner.
It is not engraved.
Got the grip all adjusted last night.
Adjusting the sites and test firing in the back yard as I speak.

Next Saturday at the PTO, BE THERE cause I am going to woop your butt in AP...

By the way, I may be looking for a free pistol...

Cheers;

Clarence

jiro · Post by **jiro** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:12 pm

thank you Rover for the information on pellet testing, it was very helpful and
informative, but at this stage of my so-called learning everything i can about
pistol shooting, i think it's best i first focus on how-to hold my pistol properly.

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:02 pm

You're going to spank me? Oh, you are a kinky bitch! Buy me a beer first and I'm easy. I'll be there right after the Free Pistol match.

Jiro: Just buy cheap pellets...

and go to the Search function for anything you want to know about your grips.

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new member needs help ...

thank you, thank you!

that's good to know!

i was about to ask that!

thanks for pellet recommendation!

there's a digital manual online?

i found the manual online!

pellet testing, very informative!