Hi,
I'd like your opinion on the gun-lifting technique in the slow parts of sport or standard pistol. Do you lift the gun above the target and than go slowly down to the desired position or do you just lift the gun where it should be pointing. And if above - how much and why.
Why am I asking?
I used to lift the gun above the target but recently, I tried just lifting the gun to the horizontal position (aiming position) and my results went up greatly - probably because the arm does not fatigue as much as it does when it has to slowly lower the pistol. I would just go with what works fine for me but I wonder whether I will come across a problem sometime in the future because of this (wrong?) technique when I would like to improve even more.
Thanks a lot.
Gun-lifting technique - please help.
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Johny-
I no expert but I do manage to shoot right at expert level with my scores . when I shoot I tend to raise above the target with a full breath of air and I lower the gun and exhale at the same time and touch the rd off as the sight picture is right.....when I do this my wobble circles tends to stay smaller.......my feelings are the gun is going to move no matter what I do so if I'm lowering the gun I dont seem to fight as hard keeping the left & right lined up......I do this same technique with open sights & dots.....Now haveing said that hopefully a more experienced shooter will chime in and blow holes in my theory and we can both learn something......Keith
I no expert but I do manage to shoot right at expert level with my scores . when I shoot I tend to raise above the target with a full breath of air and I lower the gun and exhale at the same time and touch the rd off as the sight picture is right.....when I do this my wobble circles tends to stay smaller.......my feelings are the gun is going to move no matter what I do so if I'm lowering the gun I dont seem to fight as hard keeping the left & right lined up......I do this same technique with open sights & dots.....Now haveing said that hopefully a more experienced shooter will chime in and blow holes in my theory and we can both learn something......Keith
This is more of a personal thing than a specific technique. More so today than in years past and the reason is, some clubs do not allow you to raise the gun above the berm behind the targets for safety reasons.
Myself, I raise above the target and then let the sights come down to it. The muscles in my shoulder settle more quickly when lowering than when raising. At clubs where you can't raise the gun too high, I try to limit the amount above.
If you are not habitual yet, try some things and see what seems to be the most stable and natural to you. It is hard to fit the natural tendancies and you will want to save as much fight as you can to fight the bad natural tendancies of your trigger finger.
Just my 2 cents worth
Chris
Myself, I raise above the target and then let the sights come down to it. The muscles in my shoulder settle more quickly when lowering than when raising. At clubs where you can't raise the gun too high, I try to limit the amount above.
If you are not habitual yet, try some things and see what seems to be the most stable and natural to you. It is hard to fit the natural tendancies and you will want to save as much fight as you can to fight the bad natural tendancies of your trigger finger.
Just my 2 cents worth
Chris
Raise/Lower
I agree with jackh. I raise above the target on a inhale then lower on a
exhale, then inhale a small amount to settle the chest and ensure
enough air in lungs as I start the trigger pull. The Older way for most
shooting was a deep breath with a exhale and squeeze. But for pistol I
do the chest inhale for steadiness. Probably whatever works for you
after some experimenting.
exhale, then inhale a small amount to settle the chest and ensure
enough air in lungs as I start the trigger pull. The Older way for most
shooting was a deep breath with a exhale and squeeze. But for pistol I
do the chest inhale for steadiness. Probably whatever works for you
after some experimenting.
Earlier this year I was doing some air pistol training with the pistol coach from MIT. He taught me to raise above the target. Along with the breathing, this seamed to work good.
Later in the year I was doing some sport pistol training with the AMU coach (who is also an olympian) and he corrected me and had me bring the pistol up to the aim point and stop. Anything else would be a wasted movement. Even tho in the slow fire portion of sport pistol, time is not an issue. However, it took me a little practice to break the "over raise" habit and it may of been an issue in the dueling/rapid fire stage of pistol.
What is best and what are all the pros and cons? I don't know but trust both of these coaches and see most air pistol shooter raising above the sight picture to start.
I haven't been shooting AP lately but in sport pistol continue the raise as I was taught by Ray and it is working well for me.
Later in the year I was doing some sport pistol training with the AMU coach (who is also an olympian) and he corrected me and had me bring the pistol up to the aim point and stop. Anything else would be a wasted movement. Even tho in the slow fire portion of sport pistol, time is not an issue. However, it took me a little practice to break the "over raise" habit and it may of been an issue in the dueling/rapid fire stage of pistol.
What is best and what are all the pros and cons? I don't know but trust both of these coaches and see most air pistol shooter raising above the sight picture to start.
I haven't been shooting AP lately but in sport pistol continue the raise as I was taught by Ray and it is working well for me.
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RandomShotz
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I"m still a relatively new shooter, just AP and FP so far, but I have a question about the motion as described by Keith.
I have read repeatedly and know from my own experience that a good way to shot badly is to wait for the right picture and "touch it off." Someone wrote that you should hold the gun where you want it and wait for it to go off, and that seems to work well when I do it. If I shoot the gun, a hole usually appears out in 7-land, or worse.
When I'm "on" (which is not as often as I'd like) I raise the gun to where I want it and wait for the wobbles to settle a bit. The most frequent problem I have with that method is that the gun sometimes seems to hit a ceiling just below where I want it to be and I have to struggle to get it to go up just a little bit more and no further. Of course, then I'm holding too long and getting off a good one becomes unlikely.
Does anyone else find this "ceiling"? What do you do about it?
Roger
I have read repeatedly and know from my own experience that a good way to shot badly is to wait for the right picture and "touch it off." Someone wrote that you should hold the gun where you want it and wait for it to go off, and that seems to work well when I do it. If I shoot the gun, a hole usually appears out in 7-land, or worse.
When I'm "on" (which is not as often as I'd like) I raise the gun to where I want it and wait for the wobbles to settle a bit. The most frequent problem I have with that method is that the gun sometimes seems to hit a ceiling just below where I want it to be and I have to struggle to get it to go up just a little bit more and no further. Of course, then I'm holding too long and getting off a good one becomes unlikely.
Does anyone else find this "ceiling"? What do you do about it?
Roger
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Levergun59
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Jonny,
I raise over the target and allow my exhalation and muscle relaxation to bring my POA to the breaking of the shot. I do this because in rapid fire, my first shot is done the same way and I keep that same amount of air in my lungs as I acquire my sight picture and start breaking the shot as I fall through the darkened bull background. I do know shooters who approach the target from the bottom. In rapid fire they let the sight picture fall below the bull and raise up while breaking the shot. It works for them as you can't argue with 100"s. I guess I just like my 100's a little more.
Chris
I raise over the target and allow my exhalation and muscle relaxation to bring my POA to the breaking of the shot. I do this because in rapid fire, my first shot is done the same way and I keep that same amount of air in my lungs as I acquire my sight picture and start breaking the shot as I fall through the darkened bull background. I do know shooters who approach the target from the bottom. In rapid fire they let the sight picture fall below the bull and raise up while breaking the shot. It works for them as you can't argue with 100"s. I guess I just like my 100's a little more.
Chris
Pistol raising
I have some old habits I guess from powder burner days. I roll my entire arm out,
not hard, and raise the pistol with my palm up to just above the
black bullseye. Then I roll my wrist only back to vertical. I am then just at
the top of the bullseye. I breath twice and let the front sight settle from
the top of the bull to the bottom. A medium inhale brings the front sight to
my 6 o'clock hold. Then squeeze off. Just an opinion. Good enough for
my personal best of 544. A few more 522's plus to go.
I have found that once you have a consistant routine, whatever that is,
it still goes back to a good sight picture and the preservation of it
through the shot release.
not hard, and raise the pistol with my palm up to just above the
black bullseye. Then I roll my wrist only back to vertical. I am then just at
the top of the bullseye. I breath twice and let the front sight settle from
the top of the bull to the bottom. A medium inhale brings the front sight to
my 6 o'clock hold. Then squeeze off. Just an opinion. Good enough for
my personal best of 544. A few more 522's plus to go.
I have found that once you have a consistant routine, whatever that is,
it still goes back to a good sight picture and the preservation of it
through the shot release.
Some guys raise their arm so high, you would think they are pointing towards God for help. If you really want to do it, just pick a point slightly above the target. If you end up at a club where you can't raise your gun above the berm, you won't have to alter your shot process to shoot there.johny_r wrote:Thanks all of you. One more question for those who raise above. How far above do you raise the gun? Thanks a lot.
Don't over think this stuff, the more you do, the more problems you will think you have. If you are driven to dig into it as deep as you can to find your way, be prepared to spend a lot of time working through a lot of problems. Also be prepared to fix a lot of problems you develop along the way.
Chris
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stardust tommy
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the way I do, I'm only 29 and use another technique...
start at 45°, concentrate on the front sight. when you move up inhale and still focus on the FS, when moving up the front sight "shifts" in the rear sight to a full sightpicture. while moving up you can take your pretravel off and start up building triggerpressure. when on target keep your focus on the front sight while building up trigger pressure till the shot breaks. keep aiming for at least 2 full seconds after the shot breaks and tell youself where the shot went...
builing up triggerpressure should be lineair or progressive, no ups and dawns when you look in time. while aiming don't forget building up pressure! or you end up aiming forever. don't aim to long! if you aim to long you start wobling. aim for max 4 -6 seconds...
the hardest ting about shooting is knowing when not to shoot!
I hoop you guys understand my writhing... English is only the 4th language in Belgium
gr T
start at 45°, concentrate on the front sight. when you move up inhale and still focus on the FS, when moving up the front sight "shifts" in the rear sight to a full sightpicture. while moving up you can take your pretravel off and start up building triggerpressure. when on target keep your focus on the front sight while building up trigger pressure till the shot breaks. keep aiming for at least 2 full seconds after the shot breaks and tell youself where the shot went...
builing up triggerpressure should be lineair or progressive, no ups and dawns when you look in time. while aiming don't forget building up pressure! or you end up aiming forever. don't aim to long! if you aim to long you start wobling. aim for max 4 -6 seconds...
the hardest ting about shooting is knowing when not to shoot!
I hoop you guys understand my writhing... English is only the 4th language in Belgium
gr T
Jorge Torre Ria?o
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