The long way to Olympic Gold or Morini 162E vs Steyr LP 10E

stingar · Post by **stingar** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:45 pm

Hello,

I am 24 years old and I started with the sport shooting when I was 14 years old. My best disciplines are 25m rapid fire pistol and 50m free pistol.

Since 2007 I live in UK and as everyone knows the pistols are illegal in UK so I couldn't find shooting range to start trainings here in UK.
However two weeks ago I found shooting range for 10m air pistol and met some nice people there so I decided to start training with air pistol.

I'll need personal air pistol so I have to buy one but I can't decide which one to be Morini 162e or Steyr LP 10 E. The Morini is with £300 cheaper and I don't have any experience with the Steyr's electronic triger.

I already bought 10 000 R 10 air pistol pellets and ordered 3000 targets from Kruger but I still need shooting glasses and a 300 bar diving bottle to recharge the pistol.

So:
1. I need a Pistol (I hope your answers will help me which one to take)
2. I need Shooting (Champion Super Olympic Frames )
3. I need and 12l 300 bar bottle

I don't know where to find all this things .Would you point me to a particular store or person that can deliver everything with the best prices ?

Thanks
St.

John Marchant · Post by **John Marchant** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:00 pm

Both the Steyr LP10E and the Morini are equally fine pistols.
It is down to personal preference. I have been shooting with the LP10E for 15 months and the trigger action is superb.
Contact Surrey Guns for first hand info on both pistols at http://www.surreyguns.com/
Contact J H Stewart for your glasses at http://www.stewardsportsglasses.co.uk/
Find a local dive shop for your air tank. You could try Scuba Republic at http://www.scubarepublic.co.uk/
This is only a personal selection as there are many other good suppliers in the UK.
Good luck and good shooting.

stingar · Post by **stingar** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:33 pm

Thanks John, good sites but the prices are slightly higher.

Have you tried RWS R10 Match pellets for Pistol and what do you think about them?

St.

John Marchant · Post by **John Marchant** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:25 pm

I have only used a few R10 pellets, which gave good results at 20yards, but I have not had time to do an in depth evaluation.
If they prove to give the same groups as the H & N Finale Match, then there could be a potential for a considerable saving.
When tested the results will appear on the website. (www.tenrings.co.uk)

RobStubbs · Post by **RobStubbs** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:23 am

stingar wrote:Thanks John, good sites but the prices are slightly higher.

Have you tried RWS R10 Match pellets for Pistol and what do you think about them?

St.

You need to decide which gun you like, not which gun we like. Try them out in the hand to see which you prefer the feel of. The shop mentioned above should have them (and others) in stock - phone them and see - likewise any other shop near where you live.

I'd be interested though why you've already discounted other makes... ?

Rob.

stingar · Post by **stingar** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:03 pm

Hi Rob,

I live in Manchester and I can't find shop with LP 10 E and Morini 162E so I can't arrange testing the pistols.

I'd like to buy an electronic trigger pistol so Morini and Steyr are only the brands with electronic trigger pistols.

I already have some experience with Steyr mechanical trigger and I don't have any experience with Morini .

St.

TB · Post by TB » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:12 am

stingar wrote:Hi Rob,

I'd like to buy an electronic trigger pistol so Morini and Steyr are only the brands with electronic trigger pistols.

St.

Not true. Match Guns MG1E also has an electronic trigger.

Mark Briggs · Post by **Mark Briggs** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:03 pm

Having owned several pistols with electronic triggers (162EI, CM84E, Pardini SP-E & HP-E), as well as several pistols with mechanical triggers, I can suggest that it would be wise for you to review your own decision to look exclusively at pistols with electronic triggers.

While I love my electronic triggers I have to admit that some of my mechanical triggers are every bit as good and every bit as capable of delivering the utmost in accurate shot placement.

One poster here mentioned the MG1E. I've shot one of these and have to say it's a sweet pistol and the trigger is indeed very nice. But my MG1 mechanical trigger lacks absolutely nothing, and when properly adjusted its feel is virtually indistinguishable from its electronic brother. The only real differentiator between the two pistols is the need to re-cock the mechanical trigger for each dry-fire shot. I would say the same thing about the MG2E and MG2. To whit, I own a pair of mechanical MG2's, so my experience in shooting an MG2E did not produce sufficient performance differentiation to convince me to spend the extra money on the electronic version.

Similarly, I owned an LP10 mechanical that had a trigger which was not at all to my liking. That pistol has since been sold, but the LP1 (mechanical) which I owned at the same time remains in my collection and also remains my gold standard reference for air pistols. If I want to know if I'm doing something wrong or an air pistol is doing something wrong, I shoot the LP1. If the problem persists when shooting the LP1 then it's a problem with the shooter, not the pistol.

So there's my long way of saying that by limiting your choice to air pistols with electronic triggers you are most likely doing yourself a dis-service. There are air pistols out there with mechanical triggers that deliver performance at least equal to their electronic-triggered cousins. Do yourself a favour and try as many air pistols as you can before making a purchase decision.

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:19 pm

Good advice!

Opening yourself to mechanical triggers opens another world of pistol choices; also a larger selection of used guns. Most of these will come in at a lower price, which seems to be of concern to you (and most of US).

stingar · Post by **stingar** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:20 pm

Mark - I'd love to try all the pistols and to chose the right one but I can't because there is no shooting club or air pistol shop with all of them.

I want to a buy brand new pistol or nearly new and the electronic trigger is my chose because I want to try something different.

I use to shoot with FWB(probably the best air pistols in the world), but as I mentioned I haven't trained air pistol shooting from 6 years and now after that many years out of the shooting and several years older I will try to make one new start so I really need something new and completely different.
I've got experience with Pardini SP electronic trigger and yes I know the 25m rapid fire shooting is completely different from the air pistol shooting but the advantages from electronic trigger are the same.

Probably I will make mistake with my chose but I know that any pistol is built to shoot 600 points, if your results are different from at least 590 you have to be shore the problem isn't the pistol :).

Finally I decided to buy a brand new Steyr LP 10 E. If someone know how to find the cheapest pistol in UK or even from Europe will be a big help for me.

PS: This Sunday I will try to post some comments about the first three training days at my local shooting club.

Cones · Post by **Cones** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:35 pm

Hi,

I have used the following people before with good results.

http://www.intershoot.co.uk/

and

https://www.schiesssport-buinger.de/

About the same cost. But from a U.K. dealer you have to have it sent to your RFD at extra cost. From Germany you can have it sent to your house in the U.K with no issue as it is not subject to U.K. selling restrictions. So you will save another £40 or so.

But also ask yourself what happens if you have a problem with your £1300 pistol?

The Steyr LP10E should have a 2 year warranty with it.

The U.K. agent won't touch a grey imported one. But at £200 saving I think the risk is worth it.

HTH

Mark

stingar · Post by **stingar** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:16 pm

I found and this shop http://www.euroshooting.eu contacted the seller and the LP 10 E comes with extra free of charge shooting glasses the question is is someone has experience buying from them?

mizzat · Post by **mizzat** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:11 pm

I bought an LP10E from the main dealer about three weeks ago. His price was very similar to the cheapest UK internet price (the top link in the p[revious post). I collected it in person for that extra personal touch (he brought several grip sized for me to try out etc).

I saw no benefit from ordering on the internet in this case. If have a car, he is less than a hours drive from Manchester.

jipe · Post by **jipe** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:40 am

stingar wrote:I found and this shop http://www.euroshooting.eu contacted the seller and the LP 10 E comes with extra free of charge shooting glasses the question is is someone has experience buying from them?

This is the shop of Miroslav Varga, I bought several times from him and everything went perfect.

For the LP10E, which is a new pistol, may be a local dealer (close to you = no shipment costs) is easier if you experience problems and need to make use of the warranty because with Miroslav, you will need to send him the pistol and probably to pay the shipment costs yourself.

Honestly, using myself an LP10 and having tried the LP10E, unless you really know and prefer the feeling of an electronic trigger, the LP10 is as good and will most probably produce the same score.

Since it seems you are looking for the best, a better investment is to buy the pistol without the stock grip and buy a Rink grip fully adapted to your hand or a custom Rink grip.

deadeyedick · Post by **deadeyedick** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:46 am

Since it seems you are looking for the best, a better investment is to buy the pistol without the stock grip and buy a Rink grip fully adapted to your hand or a custom Rink grip.

I agree with this approach completely, and is how I will approach my next purchase.
The Australian Steyr agent is also the Rink distributor, and allows you to have a Rink grip made and installed for an extra $100 above what the pistol costs if purchased with the standard grip.

stingar · Post by **stingar** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:46 pm

Quote:
Since it seems you are looking for the best, a better investment is to buy the pistol without the stock grip and buy a Rink grip fully adapted to your hand or a custom Rink grip.

I agree with this approach completely, and is how I will approach my next purchase.
The Australian Steyr agent is also the Rink distributor, and allows you to have a Rink grip made and installed for an extra $100 above what the pistol costs if purchased with the standard grip.

Yes I agree too. I already send an email to Mr. Preston so tomorrow will be the last day of my tortures. I can't wait my new pistol.

I need to shoot as а drug addict needs his dose. I need my drug of tens. I can't stop thinking about the perfect shot ooooooooo I am so sick....

jipe · Post by **jipe** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:12 am

stingar wrote:
Quote:
Since it seems you are looking for the best, a better investment is to buy the pistol without the stock grip and buy a Rink grip fully adapted to your hand or a custom Rink grip.

I agree with this approach completely, and is how I will approach my next purchase.
The Australian Steyr agent is also the Rink distributor, and allows you to have a Rink grip made and installed for an extra $100 above what the pistol costs if purchased with the standard grip.

Yes I agree too. I already send an email to Mr. Preston so tomorrow will be the last day of my tortures. I can't wait my new pistol.

Unfortunately, the typical delivery time for a Rink grip is between 1 and 2 months depending of the work load (many parameters, many models -> impossible to stock -> almost all grips are made "on demand") !

Hemmers · Post by **Hemmers** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:11 am

I'll just drop Don McIntosh's name into the ring as another supplier for consideration:

Edinkillie Sport Services

Had good service off them in the past.

zarathustra · Post by **zarathustra** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:31 pm

Yo! Whats the site for the Australiand Steyr dealer...

JPNZ · Post by **JPNZ** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:03 pm

I've had an LP10 for about 8 months. Just put a Rink grip on it last week and it's a different pistol all together. Sits in the hand perfectly, comes up straight on target and shoots tens like there's no tomorrow (Groups really nice anyway!) Agree you need to try both Styer and Marini to see what suits you. The guy I bought my Styer from has gone out and bought a Marini and he is shooting better with that than he did with the Styer. (Personal preference.) I really like the Styer. (Again personal preference.)
Good shooting.