Exchanging the Steyr LP2 trigger

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:43 pm

Due to its curved shape, the trigger of my Steyr LP2 is now at the very end of the mount but still a bit too close to the grip for me. I cannot move it any further and am therefore looking for a replacement trigger that solves the problem. The most evident choice would be the trigger of the Steyr LP10. I noticed it is made of plastic, what do you think of it? Is there any other trigger that you would recommend?

Robert

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:08 pm

New LP 10 triggers are metal as are the old LP1 triggers. I always found the the older LP1 triggers could go back a little further. I don't really remember any LP10 that was plastic.

I use a TEC-HRO trigger on mine it is even more adjustable.

jipe · Post by **jipe** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:21 am

The latest LP10 trigger is also much wider than the old LP10 trigger, you should test it to check that you like it. Tec-hro is indeed another opton for you.

I had some problems with the tec-gro for the trigger weigth control: it is flat (not curved) and even with the o-rings in place, people at the control do not place the arm of the weigth in the middle. Depending where you place the weigth you have different results. If you want to be 100% sure to have 500g even with the weigth put at the lowest extremity of the trigger blade, then you must put more than 500g on your trigger.

The old LP10 trigger is excellent for those who like a narrower blade.

But if you must put the trigger blade so much forward, I am afraid that you have long fingers and that the grip is not perfect for your hand. Rink has a special option for this case that moves the hand 5mm to the back (option is called Thick and is available for all sizes).

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:05 am

Thanks for the help. I see now that the new LP10 model has a steel trigger and is quite wide. A friend has an older model which has a black trigger made of plastic (only the curved part, not the entire mounting).

The TEC-HRO touch trigger really looks spacy but I am not sure that I would like the pointy profile. Wouldn't it be possible to file a horizontal groove across the center line for the weight test? Anyway thanks for the infos, I will try to find a shop where I can try out both triggers in real. Checking my grip might be a good idea too.

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:41 am

Yes it is very easy to put a groove on the Tec-HRO trigger. Right in the middle where the hole is.

The texture on it is aggressive and might not be for everyone but it is actually one of the features that I like about it. The textural feedback helps me ensure proper finger placement shot to shot.

jipe · Post by **jipe** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:53 pm

Texture has never been a problem to me, I would say its the contrary, I liked it. Yes you can file a groove in it but the weigth won't go naturally in it like on a curved blade where the weigth move automatically to the center and in the groove if there is one.

When I had problems with the weigth check, I had the two small O-rings mounted and nevertheless, the guy who made the test argued that he wasn't obliged to put the weigth between the O-rings.

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:05 pm

jipe wrote:When I had problems with the weigth check, I had the two small O-rings mounted and nevertheless, the guy who made the test argued that he wasn't obliged to put the weigth between the O-rings.

It really depends where the O-rings were mounted.

Looking at the pictures I would guess that it isn't possible to mount 2 O-rings close together in the middle of the blade: it looks like the block on the back would prevent it.

If that is the case then he was right. The weight needs to be in the middle of the "spikey bit".

greentangerine · Post by **greentangerine** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:54 pm

I use the tec-hro on my LP2 and like the texture.

I solved the weight issue by putting a horizontal groove across where the hex bolt sits with my Dremel.

John Marchant · Post by **John Marchant** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:22 pm

You could also try the Mannel trigger see link http://www.maennel.at/shop/product_info ... -STAR.html
This trigger shoe is supposed to have very versatile adjustments.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:39 am

Actually it seems that both the texture and the flat front surface are more related to rifle shooting and would give you a better feeling for a very light trigger weight. On the other hand if it is made of aluminum then it should not be difficult to flatten the spikes a bit with sandpaper. They offer the trigger part separate so it does not hurt to do some filing and sanding to try it out.

The Vario Star trigger also looks very interesting (even though expensive), thanks for the link.

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:51 pm

I don think anyone has complained about the texture yet to the contrary two post say they like it. If someone doesn't like it as you suggested it is very easy to alter witgs a file or even sand paper.

That said I tried their smaller single point trigger and it was a little bit much for me on the pistol. With 500 grams plus it felt pike a nail being driven thru my finger. It does work wonderfully on my rifle and it wold work fine on a Free Pistol too.

RobStubbs · Post by **RobStubbs** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:30 pm

My LP10 came with a plastic trigger blade, and in fact it still has the same one. I like it, but I thought all the new ones were metal - I know I swapped the LP5 one over to a new(er) trigger blade a couple of years ago that I thought was the current standard version.

Rob.

Dr. Jim · Post by **Dr. Jim** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:46 pm

jipe wrote: Yes you can file a groove in it but the weigth won't go naturally in it like on a curved blade where the weigth move automatically to the center and in the groove if there is one.

Current rule for trigger testing is to ignore any groove cut across the trigger and to place the weight arm across the lowest part of the curve. This has tended to get a lot of AP40 shooters who set the trigger by the groove into trouble at matches -- at least here in Canada.

Dr Jim

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:04 pm

Dr. Jim suggest you guys read the rules.

8.4.1.6 The weight of the trigger pull must be measured, with the test weight suspended near the middle the middle of the trigger (see illustrations) ...

Its says nothing about curves or the lowest point thereof. What about flat triggers or button type triggers. So if the groove is actually in the middle that is where you should be measuring it, if the groove is not in the middle or there is no groove you measure it the middle.

please don't speak for all of Canada because I've yet to see any triggers being measured like you state, that being Nationals, Provincials or the Grand Prix and it certainly wasn't measured like that internationally at the World Cup.

jipe · Post by **jipe** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:20 pm

Richard H wrote:8.4.1.6 The weight of the trigger pull must be measured, with the test weight suspended near the middle the middle of the trigger (see illustrations) ...

Obviously, the guy who measured my trigger didn't know that rule. But starting arguing at the equipement control before a match is definitely something I don't like and don't want to do ! Nor do I want to start adjusting the trigger weigth at that moment.

-> went back to the old style LP10 trigger.

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:04 pm

Well you don't argue you have them bring over a judge and pull out your copy of the rules and have them explain why they aren't following them usually takes a couple of minutes. It's silly to allow errors in equipment control dictate what you use. The trigger rules are very clear and really don't leave much for interpretation.

It's also a very good job for your coach to do do if you have one at the match with you.

Spencer · Post by **Spencer** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:25 pm

Richard H wrote:Well you don't argue you have them bring over a judge and pull out your copy of the rules and have them explain why they aren't following them usually takes a couple of minutes. It's silly to allow errors in equipment control dictate what you use. The trigger rules are very clear and really don't leave much for interpretation.

It's also a very good job for your coach to do do if you have one at the match with you.

...as are 6.4.2 and 6.6.3 - and there have been some 'funny' triggers and trigger shoes presented over the years.
The Step 6/ of the explanations on weighing triggers in the Manual for Juries and Range Officers, English - Pistol has not been changed.

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:40 pm

Spencer wrote:
Richard H wrote:Well you don't argue you have them bring over a judge and pull out your copy of the rules and have them explain why they aren't following them usually takes a couple of minutes. It's silly to allow errors in equipment control dictate what you use. The trigger rules are very clear and really don't leave much for interpretation.

It's also a very good job for your coach to do do if you have one at the match with you.
...as are 6.4.2 and 6.6.3 - and there have been some 'funny' triggers and trigger shoes presented over the years.
The Step 6/ of the explanations on weighing triggers in the Manual for Juries and Range Officers, English - Pistol has not been changed.

What are you trying to say that there are approved and non-approved trigger shoes.

So are you saying that a button isn't an acceptable trigger shoe or the the Tec-Hro isn't. Those rules are not carte blanche for people to just make rules up as they see fit where there isn't a rule and especially where there are detailed rules that do regulate an item. What are juries to simple to figure out the middle of a flat surface or a round surface.

Spencer · Post by **Spencer** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:59 pm

Richard H wrote:What are you trying to say that there are approved and non-approved trigger shoes.

No - where do you get that idea?

Richard H wrote:So are you saying that a button isn't an acceptable trigger shoe or the the Tec-Hro isn't.

No - ditto

Richard H wrote:Those rules are not carte blanche for people to just make rules up as they see fit where there isn't a rule and especially where there are detailed rules that do regulate an item. What are juries to simple to figure out the middle of a flat surface or a round surface.

Don't tell me: tell the people that come up with unreasonable exagerations to get around the rules.

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:24 pm

The rules 6.4.2 and 6.6.3 you quoted in the ISSF rule book are the catch all for everything, it sounded like you're saying that they can say that a trigger such as the Tec-HRo or other similar trigger can be disallowed considering that has been what we are talking about. If not what do 6.4.2 and 6.6.3 have to do with the discussion of these triggers? I think I'm missing your point.

My initial response was to Dr. Jim who seems to have some idea about weighing at the maximum curve on a trigger which is not included anywhere in the rules what so ever.

I'm amazed you go to a World Cup and there are very few if any issues then you go to these comps. in little backwoods locations and it's like they have something to prove, they trying to be extra tough to make it up to the big leagues?