Just left the Daisy match in Rogers Ark, what a great community for a match by the way!
Anyway, a shooter in the point next to us shot his first shot in the bottom sighting bull, on his first prone sporter air rifle target. The next shot was apperently a double load with both pellets hitting the nine bull area, one score approx. a 7 the other a 0. he notified the range officer and then went back to the sighting bulls. He also shot the nine bull again. I believe the rules CLEARLY STATE that the highest shot of the double will BE SCORED and the lowest will be nullified. Now if the highest is to be scored that is the first record shot, am I right? Now the extra shot in the nine bull is a miss, as is the 7 or more shots in the sighting bulls after the first record shot.
Then when I challenge the official on the line he tells me that I just want to hurt someone, VERY OUT OF LINE! THis shooters coach has been in this game a long time and knows the rules very clearly!
Why do we have a rule book?
Rules! When do we follow them?
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I too had a shooter there and both days the RO's penalized him unfairly I believe
(one a blown cylinder o-ring another on sighter shots)
I was not there, but heard from his grandmother who was.
On the two shots .... yes Highest scored, other pellet is not scored ...
If in records cannot go back to sighters all other shots after the records count ... UNLESS the RO had some good reason for the shooter to go back to sighters ... malfunction, etc.
Your only option was to continue file an official protest ... You first notified the RO ... after he disallowed your verbal you would have had to go to a written to the Jury. See Rule 9.2. Unfortunately, you have to get the written in within 30 minutes of the incident, so it's moot now.
Doing a protest is like making sausage .... very messy, hurt feelings, but sometimes it must be done, especially on sanctioned events where you may have RO that know BB gun rules and apply some of them to 3-P air.
But the ROs are volunteers, and do the best they can, and only if a protest if files can it be certain that it gets worked out correctly.
I sympathize with them as I was CRO at the OTC this year and made a bad call, and the shooter should have filed a protest .... (new rule book and I could not find what I needed, but a bad call by me anyway) ... so it does happen.
(one a blown cylinder o-ring another on sighter shots)
I was not there, but heard from his grandmother who was.
On the two shots .... yes Highest scored, other pellet is not scored ...
If in records cannot go back to sighters all other shots after the records count ... UNLESS the RO had some good reason for the shooter to go back to sighters ... malfunction, etc.
Your only option was to continue file an official protest ... You first notified the RO ... after he disallowed your verbal you would have had to go to a written to the Jury. See Rule 9.2. Unfortunately, you have to get the written in within 30 minutes of the incident, so it's moot now.
Doing a protest is like making sausage .... very messy, hurt feelings, but sometimes it must be done, especially on sanctioned events where you may have RO that know BB gun rules and apply some of them to 3-P air.
But the ROs are volunteers, and do the best they can, and only if a protest if files can it be certain that it gets worked out correctly.
I sympathize with them as I was CRO at the OTC this year and made a bad call, and the shooter should have filed a protest .... (new rule book and I could not find what I needed, but a bad call by me anyway) ... so it does happen.
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I was informad by the stat officer that we could not make negative challenges and that we had to challenge every bull that there was a dissagrement as to value. This was at the JC international match several years ago. The referee simply ignored him and applied NRA rules. I was scored incorectly on two targets resulting in points my shooter did not deserve. I ended up protesting my own team in order to resolve the scoring problem. There may be a problem with some coaches desparate to win at any cost that causes the lapse of integrity. The rest of us do not have to resort to these extremes and can simply ignore the very few that resort to such behavior.
2650 .... There are shooters with integrity and some that have none. I'll say that I'm quite disappointed when a shooter comes to the stats table with a challenge that they have been scored too high and the scoring officials are shocked that someone would do that. You would hope it would be a common occurrence (well at least as being scored too low).
Last year at a national match, one of my shooters challenged two points that moved her out of 1st and into second. I've never been more proud.
It turns out that the shooter that moved in front of her did the same thing about a half an hour later and the situation reversed. We did not tell our shooter what had happened and she did not find out until the medals ceremony that evening. I've never been more honored to shake that young man's hand.
Last year at a national match, one of my shooters challenged two points that moved her out of 1st and into second. I've never been more proud.
It turns out that the shooter that moved in front of her did the same thing about a half an hour later and the situation reversed. We did not tell our shooter what had happened and she did not find out until the medals ceremony that evening. I've never been more honored to shake that young man's hand.